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Residents push BOC for airport vote

Staff Photo: Camie Young
A crowd of residents intent on encouraging commissioners to vote no to a proposal to allow commercial flights at Briscoe Field packed Tuesday's Gwinnett Commission meeting. The group, mostly wearing red, filled the 400-seat auditorium while another 100 were seated in an overflow room.

Staff Photo: Camie Young A crowd of residents intent on encouraging commissioners to vote no to a proposal to allow commercial flights at Briscoe Field packed Tuesday's Gwinnett Commission meeting. The group, mostly wearing red, filled the 400-seat auditorium while another 100 were seated in an overflow room.

LAWRENCEVILLE -- After two years of controversy and consternation over a proposal to expand the Gwinnett County Airport, a crowd of hundreds pushed commissioners to make a decision before the upcoming July 31 primary.

An overflow crowd filled the Gwinnett Justice and Administration Center on Tuesday for the second month in a row, after a citizens group sent a recommendation against the plan.

Months after Propeller Airports submitted a proposal to privatize the small airfield, eventually allowing for scheduled passenger service, commissioners have not yet scheduled a decision.

"We think you owe it to us to get on the record and vote your convictions," Hugh Crossman said. "To do otherwise ... is something less than courageous. ... This is the only issue for us."

With candidates in the audience, some said the the issue would be decided by votes in the primary, if commissioners do not take action before then.

And Mike Royal, an advocate for the airport expansion because of the promise of jobs, does not agree with much of the crowd on the issue, but he also said he wanted a quick resolution.

"It is dividing our community," he said, calling out anti-commercialization activists for placing robo-calls and using other political tactics. "I would like to have this settled by the election. I think that is in the best interests of the 800,000 citizens of this county."

The privatization issue was delayed in the past to allow a 2011 special election to determine the commission chairperson.

Lawrenceville Councilman Tony Powell said he was concerned that, without swift action, the issue would become part of the upcoming regional transportation sales tax debate, which is a referendum on July ballots.

"It's getting blurred," he said.

After the session, Chairwoman Charlotte Nash, who has said she is against commercial flights, said the issue could make a big impact on the upcoming election. But she said county officials are being careful to follow the correct procurement procedures.

A team is reviewing the proposal, she said, and a vote will be scheduled when that is complete.

"It could happen at any point now," she said.

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rco1847 1 year, 11 months ago

It's just a stall tactic to get past the electioins and then tehy'll do what they want. It will backfire. If they vote now only those commissioners supporting the airport plan will suffer. If they postpone a vote they may all get voted out. It's time we got rid of this Republican aristocracy anyway. One indictment, one resigns in disgrace and one no-show.

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CLawrenceville 1 year, 11 months ago

If the Commissioners are so proud of their vote, let them vote. As educated citizens of Gwinnett, that will give us what we need to form our opinion in July. If our Commissioners vote for the airport after the FAA report, two Aviation Consultant reports and a Citizens Review Board report have all stated that this airport is doomed to fail, that should give us all we need to see just who they represent. The citizens who elect them or big money. We put them in, we can take them out.

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teelee 1 year, 11 months ago

To bad all of the reports were motive driven. How about privatizing it and allow private investors to use their own money to make this happen. The public money thing is a cop out.

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Cleanupguy 1 year, 11 months ago

Hmmmm - sort of like your factless one-sided comments. This is like trying to force taxpayers (you know, the ones that would foot the bill when this fails, as all others before it have) to by an Edsel at the bottom of the Atlantic.

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CLawrenceville 1 year, 11 months ago

If the motive was ascertaining whether this airport was feasible, I'd say that is a good motivation. They all said it will not work, the Board of Commissioners must deal with the truth, like it or not.

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CLawrenceville 1 year, 11 months ago

CLawrenceville

The Commissioners need to go ahead and vote on the airport so that we can use this to decide our vote in July. If the Commissioners vote in favor of the airport after reading the FAA report, the reports of two aviation consultants and the Citizens Review Board that state the airport will fail and be a huge taxpayer expense, we can then decide who they represent. Is it their constituents or special interests? We put them in office and we can take them out. Don't vote and we'll unfortunately have to clean house.

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R 1 year, 11 months ago

"It is dividing our community," he said, calling out anti-commercialization activists for placing robo-calls and using other political tactics. "I would like to have this settled by the election. I think that is in the best interests of the 800,000 citizens of this county."

Mike you have got to be kidding, you have issues with robo-calls? Some of us have issues with Propeller's attempts at offering vaporware jobs for the Briscoe expansion LAST year, did they tell the folks who submitted those resumes at that point that they would interview with the FRENCH partner or was that detail overlooked while discussing sending emails to our commissioners to speed up the job process?

Surely you remember they appeared in both in Gwinnett and South ATLANTA job fairs. I didn't hear a single challenge of that POLITICAL maneuver from the FGF team last year or did I miss YOUR outrage back then somehow?

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gwinnettisgreat1 1 year, 11 months ago

Seems someone is a little steamed about not getting a job. Maybe if you were more educated you could be employed?

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R 1 year, 11 months ago

Wow, maybe skating so close to outright FRAUD is offensive and should cause some steam…

Gee, I passed on an opportunity to join a firm shafting less fortunate in an attempt to line my personal pockets or saw through the Ponzi scheme, either way my education level seems just fine to me …

I didn’t check my conscience at the door. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_sc...

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gwinnettisgreat1 1 year, 11 months ago

LOL.... and with an attitude like that, keep looking forward to that government check.

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R 1 year, 11 months ago

And you gwinnett is great, the promise of income from the Propeller fellers.

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rco1847 1 year, 11 months ago

The Commission is in possession of a worthless Proposal from an unworthy business entity. Entertaining that proposal is shameful. Their business track record is pathetic. Propeller has misrepresented themselves to the people and officials of Gwinnett County. We are under no obligation to consider a proposal from such an unreliable source and prolong this humiliating process. I'd sooner consider a proposal from Bernie Madoff. This BOC shoots themselves in the foot at every turn. They could and should have ended this farce long ago.

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NewsReader 1 year, 11 months ago

I concur. The Commissioners either need to _ or get off the pot! An abstaining vote is a vote out of office.

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pcjohn 1 year, 11 months ago

Folks, this is Gwinnett County. You should have learned from our history that the Commission does NOT represent the people and will vote only for their personal interests. I've lived here over 30 years and have seen the Commission override constituent's concerns many times. Once elected they no longer care about the folks they represent. And if any of you want to ballyhoo "jobs" being created from the privatization of Briscoe Field, let me remind you that each of those jobs will probably bring more children to be educated thus causing the Wilbanks cabal to want more tax money, and the GCPD will want more cops to handle the increase in crime from a larger population. Watch your dollars fly away! Remember Nasuti's baseball field?

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Cleanupguy 1 year, 11 months ago

This is right out of a comic book - we can't see the proposal, all the studies and independent study groups and consultants say NO, Propeller has only proven their prowess at bankruptcies, no carriers are interested, near guaranteed taxpayer funded mega-failure, etc. Politics tearing us apart? I scoff - how about the proponents floating the Delta lie?

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teelee 1 year, 11 months ago

So we have a county that is still number one in home foreclosures and personal bankruptcies in the state of Georgia and some of you (The 300 hysterical Lawrenceville residents) still think that we should pass up this unique opportunity to bring jobs and prosperity to Gwinnett County. I think the commissioners should move to have a referendum on the issue because I am sure that the nearly one million people that live and work in Gwinnett County would overwhelmingly vote to privatize Briscoe Field and allow commercial flights.

These phony baloney studies are a joke. All of them have their reasons for wanting to stop this expansion. If it were up to people like you, we would not have nice thing in this county to enjoy like the Gwinnett Arena, the Mall of Georgia and the Gwinnett Braves. Expanding the airport would not only support these venues but all of the struggling business owners and homeowners that depend on a strong economy. Every one of you that are opposed to this would opt to fly out of Lawrenceville instead of Atlanta if you had the option.

This is a unique opportunity, Briscoe Field is the perfect location with the limited access highway right next to the airport. It is located primarily in an industrial area, it already has an up and running FAA controlled tower, there is already a mostly unused public transportation bus system that could be put to work immediately at the park and ride locations to shuttle passengers. The only thing growing at Briscoe Field now are the weeds. The worlds busiest airport is only about 40 miles away and it is still expanding, the future of aviation is strong. The construction that carried Gwinnett County for years probably will never come back like it was so if you have a better idea on how to bring back Gwinnett's economy and take us off of the number one in home foreclosures list please share it with all of us.

Artist rendering

Artist rendering by teelee

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Dubbin 1 year, 11 months ago

Teelee - you do recognize that the long haul 747's and 757's shown in this rendering can't land at Briscoe without a major runway extension right?

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Cleanupguy 1 year, 11 months ago

C'mon - don't confuse teepee with pesky facts. Any study that disagrees with those preconceived notions will be rejected. Nice catch on the fake rendering - talk about your fraudulent!

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peony64 1 year, 11 months ago

Teelee, watch this video. This is EXACTLY what will happen if Briscoe is expanded. Do you want the added taxpayer burden of supporting a failing airport? The FAA has confirmed that taxpayers will be on the hook and will be required to cover similar losses if Briscoe's expansion is not successful. There have been many studies showing that all airports expanded in recent years have failed. After the fiasco of the garbage plan, Braves stadium, and HOT lanes, I do not want to take a chance that we will be stuck paying for a beautiful airport to nowhere. At a time when airlines are consoldiating routes, eliminating destinations, and raising passenger fees to stay profitable, spending taxpayer money to commercialize Briscoe is a very irresposnible thing to do once you look at the overwhelming evidence that shows it will NOT bring jobs to our area.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/34831732#34831732

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Katrina 1 year, 11 months ago

Everyone should watch this! It's a cautionary tale for Gwinnett County!!!

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R 1 year, 11 months ago

Teelee just wants GWINNNETT to KEEP the NUMBER ONE rating in foreclosures.

Attention, ANY attention, even negative attention is a good thing...

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NewsReader 1 year, 11 months ago

Now everyone already knows that TeeWee has promoted this venture because he has an interest in it. He's giving one trick pony rides! "NO" means "NO"!

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R 1 year, 11 months ago

Did we use tax dollars to build the Mall of GA or is this a red herring?

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Dubbin 1 year, 11 months ago

The most interesting thing at the meeting to me was when Mike Royal (who has been Beaudreau's appointee to the planning commission, special appointee for the garbage plan and close business confidant over the years) coming to tears because people dared put their community interests over their pipe dream of an airport. I personally saw Beaudreau get in a huff and refuse to speak to homeowners after the meeting. I want to know why Royal and Beaudreau are so adamant about approving something that is so clearly NOT in the community’s best interest? Consider this: Royal sells business insurance and Beaudreau sells office equipment – now ask yourself this question: Would an expanded Briscoe terminal be managed by a company that would grant contracts for insurance providers and office equipment? Follow the money people - follow the money!

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kmm 1 year, 11 months ago

It outrages me that opponents of Briscoe Field commercialization are utilizing out-of-date data and incomparable study findings (e.g., a commercialized Briscoe Field cannot and could never be compared to Chicago O’Hare) to support their position. A recent study has analyzed facts and studies presented by both sides of the debate and found that, commercialization of Briscoe Field would generate between $1.6 billion and $2.3 billion in economic activity, generate between 17,859 jobs and 27,676 jobs, and will enhance property values surrounding the airport (Stephens, 2012). The potential economic gains are too great to be ignored, and it would be a disservice to Gwinnett County and its citizens not to take advantage of this commercialization opportunity.
"The only thing more expensive than education is ignorance." ~Benjamin Franklin Stephens, J. (2012). Study shows briscoe commercialization would achieve goals. Gwinnet Forum (12.08), April 27, 2012.

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166LZU 1 year, 11 months ago

kmm,

You forgot to mention that in the "recent study" Stephens (a college student) thanks Brett Smith in the Acknowledgements for taking his time to "discuss my project and providing access to vital research data". Vital data from Propeller like 2.5 million passengers per year (instead of the FAA's 1.3 million passengers per for an airport with a 9000 foot runway and west coast service - vs. a 6500 foot regional service airport that Propeller is proposing) or planes that apparently only generate noise on takeoff. Because Propeller doesn't include approach noise data at their website - Strephens didn't either. He just accepts Propeller's "data" straight up. Stephens also references Fly Gwinnett Forward FAQs as a source for his data. So, this "study" is nothing more than a thinkly veiled extension of Propeller's proposal. But don't go away mad, kmm. Just go away...

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samnevils 1 year, 11 months ago

Wow, so a Master's thesis counts as hard core proof these days? KMM, the opponents are not using out of date information. Sounds more like your information is out of date about what is being used.

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Dubbin 1 year, 11 months ago

I'm submitting a proposal to privatize the parking lot at the county courthouse so I can setup a snow cone stand there. Research shows an aggregate annual demand for 12.8 million snow cones based on 16 snow cones per person per year and a population of 800,000. At $2 per snow cone this would generate $25.6 million per year in revenue and create thousands of jobs. See - you can jumble the numbers to make any dumb idea look good. My snow cone stand concept makes way more sense than the airport does. I wonder which commissioner will suddenly get into the snow cone machine business after I submit my proposal?

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pcjohn 1 year, 11 months ago

Dubbun - I'm with ya. Where can I buy stock? Everybody loves snow cones.

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Cleanupguy 1 year, 11 months ago

You should be outraged, and probably have your head examined. NO ONE has yet to step up and explain EXACTLY where more than 100 of those imaginary jobs will come from. Dubbin has got a MUCH better idea than this for snow cones..............

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jljustis 1 year, 11 months ago

Pure Bull. I think the snowcone business in the parking lots is a more reasonable business model. Propeller is a scam and skim operation.

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Katrina 1 year, 11 months ago

kmm,

There are countless studies available to refute your claim that property values will rise near the airport including: the Sea-Tac International Airport Impact Mitigation Study; a study by real estate appraiser Randall Bell regarding LAX, Ontario, and John Wayne Airport; and a study by Booz-Allen & Hamilton commissioned by the FAA, just to name a few.You can read these at www.eltoroairport.org and at www.airportnoiselaw.org/study912.html. You can find a treasure-trove of studies just by Googling. They all say the same thing: property values will DECLINE.

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BufordToo 1 year, 11 months ago

Here's an idea for all . . . place the privatization/commercialization on the July ballot and LET THE VOTERS DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES rather than let the BOC take the easy way out (since they can't seem to make a decision one way or another for themselves). Pretty radical idea here but at least it would be 100% transparent to all whether the 800,000 residents of the County want this or not. Forget all the hyperbole and emotion, just let the voters (spelled: residents) decide for themselves.

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gwinnettisgreat1 1 year, 11 months ago

You sir need to look at the proposal process. Then realize that the voters get no say in this matter. Other than voting for their represenatives. You do understand what "represent" means right?

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pcjohn 1 year, 11 months ago

who is the "you" to whom you are responding?

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gwinnettisgreat1 1 year, 11 months ago

If YOU are too dumb to figure it out, don't post your intelligence score with questions like this. Geeze.

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Cleanupguy 1 year, 11 months ago

Nothing shows class and intellect like a crass insult.

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pcjohn 1 year, 11 months ago

Well gee, gwinnettisgreat1, let me explain it to you......in English the word "you" can refer to a single person, a group of people, etc. Your use of that word provided no antecedent whatever and since there are over a dozen people writing on this thread "you" could refer to any one, or more or them. Thus, I asked to whom you specifically referred - a valid question if you think about it. It shouldn't have been so difficult that it provoked an insult on your part. After all, English is your mother tongue, isn't it?

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samnevils 1 year, 11 months ago

So Mike Royal is all upset because robo-calls and "other political activities"??? Poor baby. I hope he remembers this when he runs for office like he's being pushed to do in the new 105 District. So no robo-calls for Mike Royal. Tell you what, maybe his groups should stop buying ads on Facebook to promote their page pushing the airport.

As for TeeLee, umm 316 is not a limited access highway. Do you even know what one is? And honestly, I wouldn't mind having just one mall in Gwinnett county. Look at what's become of Gwinnett Place Mall after the Mall of Georgia was built. And how would an airport immediately stop the foreclosures in Gwinnett? It wouldn't. Talk about a pipe dream. And now the Gwinnett Braves stadium is costing us because the revenue just isn't there but we're paying for it anyway!!!

Just check out the Chamber's website that shows that Gwinnett is now leading in job and wage growth and we're doing this without an airport. Come on TeeLee, get real with the facts here. And no the studies weren't a joke. That's what one says when they can't manage an argument against facts.

I'm sure Dubbin isn't too far off the mark about new prospective insurance and business copier contracts for Beaudreau and Royal with their line of work.

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BufordGuy 1 year, 11 months ago

I agree with that. This is owned by the 800,000 not the 5. Five are easier to influence with money than 800,000 are. What are the 5 afraid of?

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rco1847 1 year, 11 months ago

It's time for a county wide referendum and a more democratic approach. Our BOC is incapable of of using commen sense. You don't do business with lairs and abject failures.

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rco1847 1 year, 11 months ago

Mike Royal? Wasn't he chummy with Kevin Kenerly?

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Dubbin 1 year, 11 months ago

He was Beaudreau's garbage plan spokesman during the "listening tour" right before we got socialized garbage.

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rco1847 1 year, 11 months ago

I like your snow cone scenerio.

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Dubbin 1 year, 11 months ago

I'm going to bring in a French company to manage it.

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Cleanupguy 1 year, 11 months ago

I'd like to offer my sevcies as a consultant (also working on my GED thesis). I'm thinking your calculations are off - I'm coming up with a trillion in sales, plus 500 million jobs, as well as the second Coming. Trust me - check's in the mail!

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Cleanupguy 1 year, 11 months ago

I'd like to start a new organization to address the airport deal - I'm calling it "Partnership for an Idiot Free America". All commissioners excluded, plus of course the Propeller Fellers, Teepee, kmm, and the other mental midgets supporting this per their own still hidden agendas. It can't get much more clear than the complete and total 100% abject failure of this concept, anywhere and everywhere that taxpayers have been burdened with it. I'm betting that there's a lot going on under the covers here, and it ain't pretty.

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R 1 year, 11 months ago

NEED mental eyewash right NOW!! ... call 911, the stadium will respond..

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Bebe 1 year, 11 months ago

teelee,

You obviously don't live in the flight path. Frankly, I question if anyone who supports this expansion lives in the flight path. Those of us who are already underwater in our homes or who have lost dramatic amounts of equity cannot allow this to be approved. Any hope we might have of a long term recovery in housing values will be completely undone if this expansion occurs. No to Briscoe's expansion!

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Don 1 year, 11 months ago

I want to say you answered everyone's questions of why we DO NOT need the airport plan,

Here is the answer you so kindly wrote: "The worlds busiest airport is only about 40 miles away and it is still expanding, the future of aviation is strong."

This is one of the biggest reason we do not need the Briscoe plan. But I guess you are not smart enough to realize what you said. With Hartsfield only 40 miles away it only makes sense not to do it.

I am not so sure that with Shirley not showing up is a good thing for me or a bad thing. I do not view her as representing me anyhow.

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kevin 1 year, 11 months ago

Glad to finally see the people jumping all over the BOC to put this issue to bed now. This County has spent all our tax money on a project going to waste because the majority do NOT want this airport to turn into a small Atlanta Int'l Airport. Let the private sector take this up with another area airport. We do not want jets over our houses; simple. Please people, if any vote for this, kick them out. This is the reason Mike has already decided not to run again and Shirley is simply a bought-out person by developers. This BOC ONLY wants more money to spend to take care of their contributors and the hell with the common taxpayers. Gwinnett still owns this airport so learn how to run it. If they can't do that, then demolish it and build the new Falcon stadium there. I am not a fan of a new stadium but at least the County can sell it or rent it and make more money than it is making from airport usage.

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Katrina 1 year, 11 months ago

I saw a Mike Beaudreau yard sign in my neighborhood. He's running.

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Cleanupguy 1 year, 11 months ago

For what? Do we need a dog catcher?

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Katrina 1 year, 11 months ago

I don't even want him catching dogs!!!!

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Cleanupguy 1 year, 11 months ago

OK, good point - road kill then.

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toby 1 year, 11 months ago

Why can't people fly in small planes? Aren't they greener? Anyway, this is a done deal. Some commisioners get a mall, some a stadium and some an airport. Why do you think the 20/316 modification is going in? Why do you think Sugarloaf loop is going in. This is a done deal. The government knows best for all their sheep. Look how the federal government is taking care of us. Governments love debt. Never pay it back. Spend spend spend! Maybe the Romainian can make enough hooch to make us not care.

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Katrina 1 year, 11 months ago

I went on a tour of Georgia Gwinnett College back when it was new (2006 or 2007--can't remember!) and the president of the college told us at that time that these interchanges were going in on 316. The airport may still be a done deal (I hope not!!!), but I wouldn't judge that by what's going on with 316.

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Dubbin 1 year, 11 months ago

It was said to be a done deal in 1994 until the masses came out and made it clear that anybody voting for the airport expansion would be dumped from office. The only thing politicians understand is money and re-election. Deny them re-election and they won't make any money. If everybody shows up, raises hell and makes it clear to Beaudreau that he won't get elected again if he votes for this it will NOT be a done deal.

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Katrina 1 year, 11 months ago

The AJC said there were over 500 people at the BOC meeting the other night. Wish there were more showing up! Some individuals that do show up are representing entire subdivisions, so it should be obvious that there are literally thousands opposed to the airport expansion, but more numbers showing up at meetings would help convince the likes of Beaudreau that he will be booted out if he votes "yes."

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Cleanupguy 1 year, 11 months ago

Great observation. Thus this one probably should have signed up as Toidee.

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rco1847 1 year, 11 months ago

Tell Mike Royal I have a 6-figure job for him just as soon as he convinces the commission to vote against any airport proposal.

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TAK 1 year, 11 months ago

To those of you who think if you don't live in Lawrenceville that airport commercialization won't affect you, consider this: we are 35 - 50 miles from the Atlanta Airport and we can hear the jets on final approach at 25,000 feet, especially when it's quiet. Imagine those engines right over the county all the time, day and night, at 3.000 - 10,000 feet. You won't be able to get a moment's rest. Plus let's cut the economic benefit to the county by 1/2 and rest assured there will be additional expenses incurred by the county that we don't know about. It's this same kind of rosy projection that cost us an extra $25 million for the G-Braves stadium, more than double the initial estimate.

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Katrina 1 year, 11 months ago

You are so right! I think many people don't have a clue how much they'll be affected. Look at what's happening at PDK now, where the planes will soon be flying lower longer, in order not to interfere with Hartsfield air traffic. With 737s flying over Gwinnett, a huge area will be trashed. How is the county going to make up for the lowered property values on so many homes?

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R 1 year, 11 months ago

They don't plan to that's how

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Gundoctor1 1 year, 11 months ago

I thought the commission has already made their intent known.

I love the guy that commented, "get rid of this Republican aristocracy." ha ha ha ha. Who needs the comedy channel when you have people like this. Well, get ready buddy, your Dem. pals are on a very short leash. Four years was plenty huh? Thank you, thank you, thank you. Prayer does work!!!!!!

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rco1847 1 year, 11 months ago

Gun Doctor - I don't back down as shole. Tell me an indicted commissioner and a chairman forced to resign in disgrace - all recently - is a good track record for any party. It's the closed minded like you that encourage the Republican domination of Gwinnett Politics and their attendant larceny. Baaaaaaa baaaaaaaa baaaaaa.

When you wrote that you thought the commission had made their intent known you showed how much you don't know. Where have you been for the last 2 years? Next you'll want to bring back Lillian Webb.

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R 1 year, 11 months ago

Actually the original Bond trip to NY was peanuts compared to the present foolishness...

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pcjohn 1 year, 11 months ago

Lillian Webb, the fattest hog at the trough. I'll have trouble sleeping tonight now that you've reminded me of her, rco1847. Yikes !

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gwinnettisgreat1 1 year, 11 months ago

Reading all these post, it is apparent to me that you people need better insulation in your homes. Jets fly over my house all the time and the only time I hear them is when I am outside. Big woop tee do. Get over it. Quit your crying. Use your power to vote and shut up. If your guy or gal does not get elected and you don't like it, MOVE! or get better insulation if they approve the airport.

If you don't like living in Gwinnett, leave. Hit the road. Most of you are from Detroit, Ohio, New York, Kentucky, Indiana or New Jersey. If it sucks so bad in Gwinnett, go back home! Oh... that's right it sucks worse there!

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Cleanupguy 1 year, 11 months ago

Or maybe instead we could fix things where we have invested so many years. How sad that you're so full of hate for people not born where they are still living now.

Thomas Jefferson was attributed with saying: "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"

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gwinnettisgreat1 1 year, 11 months ago

LOL... Hate? I don't hate people that live here. I hate people that complain about their surroundings. People that want to live in Mayberry move to Gwinnett and then complain about growth.

That would be like me moving next to an apple orchard and complaining that I hate fruit. Why would I move there? If I hate growth and change, why would I move to Gwinnett? If the growth sprung up around me, I would move.

Is that hate?

I think the only hate going on is those who HATE growth and change.

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Cleanupguy 1 year, 11 months ago

All change and all growth are not necessarily good. This plan, for example has a 100% chance of failure, with taxpayers on the hook for it - NEVER has been successful anywhere, ever. No carriers interested, prohibitive cost, backed by experts only in bankruptcy. This would be more like buying a house next to an orchard and winding up with a defunct canning company next door.

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R 1 year, 11 months ago

But Gwinnett is Great sells insulation don't you know - gotta build the business somehow ...

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Katrina 1 year, 11 months ago

As far as I'm concerned, this IS Mayberry. If the BOC falls for the "pie in the sky" scenario from these city slickers at Propeller, then they are not very sophisticated people. The folks at Propeller are laughing their asses off at the hillbillies they are bamboozling.

Other communites respect their citizens and build their commercial airports where they won't affect residents (e.g., Greenville-Spartanburg and Sacramento, both in the 1960s). If the BOC votes "yes" for this commercialization, they are showing their contempt for us.

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Katrina 1 year, 11 months ago

In July 2012, I wrote an e-mail to the county, inquiring about the "public involvement process." I received a reply from Brian Allen, Director of Transportation. He attached a fact sheet, which included the following: "At this time, no public hearings are scheduled. We will be developing a public involvement plan. The goal of our public involvement effort will be to engage stakeholders with a variety of interests and concerns; to work directly with the citizens of Gwinnett County to keep them informed, listen to their ideas, acknowledge their concerns and provide feedback on how these ideas and concerns are addressed." Mr. Allen reiterated the above in the body of the e-mail and added this line: "The Board and staff are committed to communicate to the public in a timely manner throughout the process." What a pile of horse manure! Where's the feedback? How are they addressing our concerns? As someone pointed out at the BOC meeting Tuesday night, all we have is a one-way conversation with the commissioners--we get to speak for 3 minutes apiece and get no response. So much for transparency in government!

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Dubbin 1 year, 11 months ago

Save that email. Could be good evidence in court.

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Katrina 1 year, 11 months ago

Just realized that I have a typo--the e-mail is from July 2010, not 2012. So it's been almost two years since I sent/received those e-mails. I wrote back to him, asking why the timeline did not include public hearings, and he never responded. I pointed out that the timeline included possible contract negotiations by early 2011. I am going to see if I can edit my comment above to correct the date. I will save the e-mail and if anyone wants it, I will forward it to them.

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Katrina 1 year, 11 months ago

Looks like it's too late to edit the above comment, so I just want to reiterate/clarify that I had sent this e-mail to Charles Bannister on July 9, 2010, and received the reply from Mr. Allen on July 13, 2010. (He cc'd Bannister and county staff members.) In my original e-mail, I asked when the public involvement would begin. After receiving the response, I wrote back the same day and asked why the airport privatization process appeared to be so meticulously planned out EXCEPT for the public involvement part. I got no reply.

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R 1 year, 11 months ago

The public involvement you were promised was later called the Grand Jury and those that remain from that period have forgotten the lessons we paid for them to learn..

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Katrina 1 year, 10 months ago

The scandals with Kenerly and Bannister certainly slowed the airport privatization process down. Otherwise I think the airport privatization would have been rammed down our throats before we had a chance to organize. You are right, too, that the lessons have been forgotten. There is still no transparency in government!

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Cleanupguy 1 year, 11 months ago

The story above starts with "two years of controversy and consternation" - maybe some fiber will help?

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Katrina 1 year, 11 months ago

If only it were that simple...

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Cleanupguy 1 year, 11 months ago

I dunno - if one has been consternated for two years, fiber might be a life saver. Then again, some of our commissioners might disappear completely.

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Katrina 1 year, 11 months ago

I think there are three that would...

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NewsReader 1 year, 10 months ago

gwinnettisgreat1, let's get something straight. The good people in "Mayberry" here as you call it are the same people that live and work and die in this community. When we pack up our bags and leave the encroachment for Mayberry, you continuously bring the encroachment to us. Such is the case with the Mall of Georgia. I moved up here to get away from this kind of foolishness over 20 years ago, and you brought it to me. If I pack up and move to Jackson County, you can rest assured, it will be less than 20 years before I am inundated with the same kind of crap. You speak as if people moved here to get away from Mayberry, when in fact, they moved here to get away from you, your development, your progress as you call it, to Mayberry. Here's a novel idea. If you want all this crap, instead of telling those of us who were here first to MOVE, perhaps you should pack up your bags and move to that which you seek to bring here instead. The only people that stand behind a development such as this are those who have something to personally gain from it. What do you have to gain from it?

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Katrina 1 year, 10 months ago

I moved to Gwinnett in 1986 and was so happy with the place that I continually bragged about it to my out-of-state relatives. The parks, the schools, the libraries, the clean air--Gwinnett was great back then. If they still had that old water tower sign on I-85, I think they'd now have to change it from "Gwinnett is Great" to "Gwinnett is GREED." If this airport privatization goes through, it will trash a huge swath of Gwinnett--I still have trouble believing it's even being considered.

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gwinnettisgreat1 1 year, 10 months ago

20 years ago??? Retire... move to the beach.

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Katrina 1 year, 10 months ago

Are you one of those Fly Gwinnett Forward guys who raced out of the citizens' meetings afterwards to puff on cigarettes?

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kledbetter 1 year, 10 months ago

Come election time let the people of gwinnett county vote out all of the present commissioners and vote in some new onew. We can't do no worse than what we already have. I commented on something here while back and I guess the language was to strong for The Gwinnett Dailey News to publish. If they don't like your comment they will not publish it.

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NewsReader 1 year, 10 months ago

"I think the only hate going on is those who HATE growth and change."

I'm really glad you posted this gwinnettisgreat1 because this exemplifies the difference between you and the rest of us.

The difference between you and the rest of us is that we all moved here because we wanted a change. We searched, we liked what we saw, and we moved here because of it. You, on the other hand, are not interested in our community because of the change it will provide for you, but the opportunity for you to change it into what you want it to be. It is all strictly for your very own self-serving motivations.

And what we hate about it the most, is that when you don't get your way because the people fail to embrace it, there's always another self-serving agenda driven jerk waiting in your footsteps to take your place in an attempt to do the same. And thus, the process continues to repeat itself until finally it materializes because of another self-serving elected official.

So, to put in in terms that perhaps you can understand, "Pack up your toys and go find another sand box to play in, for your attempt to turn ours into a cat box, is not very appealing to us." Get the picture?

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gwinnettisgreat1 1 year, 10 months ago

I call it opprotunity, you call it evil. One will make a lot of money, the other looks for Andy Griffith to come driving around the corner with a big 'ol grin on his face. It's not going to happen. And you are right, if I don't get my way the first time around, eventually I will get my way. I am patient.

You see it is self serving. I am not going to appologize for that. Most businesses are self serving. Unless you work for someone else and then you are serving them. LOL... I know which group you fall into.

I am not packing up my toys... LOL... just painting them a new color if need be. Still going to play in the sandbox, because there is gold in the sandbox, and eventually it will yield itself. You will move and I will win. It's just a matter of time. You get the picture? If not...eventually you will.

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R 1 year, 10 months ago

Gotta get that money before the taxpayers wake up??
Can't blame you if the stupid fall for the claims of EASY money, the scam that's tried and true...

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UBinGwinnett 1 year, 10 months ago

Thankfully Beaudreau will lose his position in this years election. He's ignored the people in his district long enough.

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Katrina 1 year, 10 months ago

Let's hope he's voted out!!!!!

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