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Bill would bar illegal immigrants from colleges

The Georgia Capitol building

The Georgia Capitol building

ATLANTA (AP) — A Georgia legislative committee on Monday voted to approve a bill that would bar illegal immigrants from state colleges, universities and technical schools.

The House Judiciary Non-Civil committee passed an amended version of the bill that passed the Senate chamber earlier this month. It now goes to the House Rules Committee, which will decide whether to bring it up for debate before the full House.

The bill's main sponsor, Sen. Barry Loudermilk, R-Cassville, said the bill is meant in part to clarify the intent of a 2006 law that he says should have been interpreted as prohibiting state colleges and universities from accepting illegal immigrants. It also makes some changes to identification requirements for applicants for public benefits laid out by a law enacted last year to crack down on illegal immigration in the state.

The committee heard from both supporters and opponents of the bill during nearly two hours of discussion. Almost all of the discussion centered on the education provisions of the proposal. Supporters of the bill say it's necessary to preserve state-funded education for citizens and legal residents. Opponents say the bill unfairly denies motivated illegal immigrant students the opportunity to further their education.

Illegal immigrants already are effectively barred from the most competitive state schools because of a Board of Regents policy created in 2010 that prohibits any institution that has rejected academically qualified applicants in the previous two years from accepting illegal immigrants. That includes the University of Georgia, Georgia Tech, Georgia State University, Georgia Health Sciences University and Georgia College & State University. Illegal immigrants may still be admitted to any other state college or university but must pay out-of-state tuition.

University system Chancellor Hank Huckaby told committee members he believes that policy is adequate and asked that it be allowed to work. He offered nearly identical testimony before a Senate committee last month and before another House committee that was considering a similar bill.

"We believe this policy assures undocumented students do not receive a public benefit since they must pay out of state tuition and that no undocumented student will be taking a seat in a class away from a Georgia student, since our selective institutions are not allowed to admit undocumented students," University system Chancellor Hank Huckaby said.

The university system has said it does not believe illegal immigrants receive a public benefit via postsecondary education because they must pay out-of-state tuition.

Loudermilk said that even if illegal immigrants are covering the direct cost of their education by paying out-of-state tuition, they also benefit from the buildings, computer systems and other capital investments that are funded by tax dollars.

"Postsecondary education is a public benefit whether it is directly subsidized or not," he said.

Democratic lawmakers raised some concerns about the bill. House Minority Leader Stacey Abrams, D-Atlanta, suggested it was possible that people who are in the country legally but don't have their paperwork because of bureaucratic problems might be excluded. And Rep. Roberta Abdul-Salaam, D-Riverdale, said she was concerned that illegal immigrant students might be discouraged from completing high school if they're not allowed to go to state colleges.

Only South Carolina currently prohibits state colleges and universities from admitting illegal immigrants. A section of Alabama's tough new law targeting illegal immigration that would have done the same has been temporarily blocked by a federal judge.

The version of the bill that passed the full Senate earlier this month did not explicitly define postsecondary education as a public benefit, though the sponsors said that was implied through references to a section of federal law. But the House committee approved an amendment Monday that specifically adds postsecondary education to a list of public benefits that illegal immigrants are ineligble to receive.

The bill also includes some changes to the identification requirements from last year's law for applicants for public benefits, which include food stamps and professional licenses. Notably, it says applicants for public benefits can submit required paperwork up to nine months before the application deadline and that U.S. citizens don't have to resubmit "secure and verifiable" identification documents to renew a benefit with the same agency. It also excludes foreign passports from a list of acceptable identification documents unless valid federal immigration paperwork is also submitted.

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jjbod1 2 years ago

We need a true law that bans them from everything in this county. Then they would all go back home from where they came and belong. Just think how much better our country would be.

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Sandykin 2 years ago

As long as no qualified legal resident of Georgia or the US is turned away, I'm okay with an illegal alien paying out of state tuition to attend one of our universities. However, I do think student loans should be reserved for legal citizens. It is our taxes that subsidize those loans.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 2 years ago

I respect your position, but I respectfully disagree with it as I don't think that it is okay for illegals and undocumented students to attend state-supported colleges and universities for a myriad of reasons starting with the reasoning that our state universities were not meant to serve illegals, undocumented students, out-of-state students or even legal foreign students, but were intended, first and foremost, to serve citizens of the State of Georgia.

Serving undocumented foreign students was clearly NOT the intent of those who first established the university system in 1785 and is clearly NOT the intent of the taxpayers of this state who flip virtually the entire bill for our state-controlled institutions and even contribute smaller amounts to private institutions within the state through financial aid and scholarships.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 2 years ago

"As long as no qualified legal resident of Georgia or the US is turned away, I'm okay with an illegal alien paying out of state tuition to attend one of our universities."

That's actually part of the problem as there have been multiple cases where qualified legal citizens have been turned away denied enrollment in USG (University System of Georgia) institutions because spots have taken by undocumented students. There have even been a few cases where military veterans have been denied the ability to enroll at a state-supported institution while undocumented students were already enrolled, which is a scenario that should NEVER happen.

A qualified legal citizen of the State of Georgia should NEVER be denied the ability to enroll in a state-supported college or university while an illegal alien or undocumented student (or out-of-state student or legal foreign student) has already been enrolled and this should absolutely, positively NEVER happen for a Veteran of the Armed Forces whose selfless service to this great nation should guarantee them a spot at any state-supported college university that they decide to attend if they are so qualified to attend.

Veterans should get FIRST DIBS and guaranteed enrollment at our state-supported institutions while illegals and undocumenteds should NOT even be up for consideration or even apart of the conversation about who should be allowed access to state educational institutions, ESPECIALLY as the University System struggles just to serve qualified legal citizens.

Allowing illegal aliens to attend state-supported institutions at any rate of tuition is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE and should not be allowed in any circumstance, PERIOD.

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R 2 years ago

It's time to pass this bill and move forward.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 2 years ago

This bill is a very good first start to tackling the increasing problem of illegal aliens and undocumented students attending state-supported institutions on the taxpayers' dime and I will gladly accept the effort by the Georgia General Assembly, but only as a good first step to dealing with a problem that threatens to eventually grow out of control if not addressed and dealt with early-on (see California and Texas as prime examples where this problem has grown completely out-of-hand as undocumented students are allowed to attend publicly-funded colleges and universities in those two states where the overall problem of illegal immigration has been allowed to continue unabated for decades).

The simple fact is that this bill does not go far enough in helping to address this issue as ANY and ALL institutions that receive any type of state funding should be barred from enrolling illegal immigrants and undocumented students. All private institiutions (like an Emory, a Mercer, a Morehouse, a Shorter, a Berry, etc) that receive any type of public funding (usually in the form of public scholarships or financial aid) should also be barred from enrolling illegals and undocumenteds who should be completely discouraged from even stepping foot in this state in every way, shape or form.

All public institutions in this state should also be discouraged from enrolling out-of-state students and legal foreign students as legal qualified citizens of the State of Georgia should always have first dibs at the limited spots at state institutions.

There should also be a provision in this bill to guarantee that Veterans of the U.S. Armed Forces have a spot at any state institution that they are qualified to attend, especially those veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 2 years ago

The state also very SERIOUSLY needs to address the unacceptably high number of undocumented students in our K-12 public schools by requiring proof of citizenship and legal status upon initial enrollment in the K-12 public school system. Public schools should also be required to report the numbers of undocumented students who attempt enrollment to the state every year.

Even though the Supreme Court has previously ruled that the government cannot restrict undocumented students from enrolling in public schools (Plyler v. Doe, 1982), just the simple act of requiring proof of citizenship and legal status would discourage a very large amount of illegal immigration from even occurring within this state (though the initial cost of the inevitable court challenges would be worth the savings to the taxpayers in the long run, not-to-mention the improvement in the performance of public schools not having to educate as many illegals).

Illegals fled Alabama in droves by the tens-of-thousands when that state attempted to enact a law requiring proof of citizenship and legal status in the K-12 public school system there several months back.

This state cannot afford the spiraling financial and social costs of educating illegal immigrants any longer (it never could) and must do all that it can reasonably do to run illegals out of this state and deter illegals from even stepping foot in this state in the future.

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R 2 years ago

K -12 is a federal mandate at this point.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 2 years ago

I know that educating illegals and undocumenteds in K-12 public schools is a federal mandate, but requiring every child enrolling in public schools to show proof of citizenship for reporting purposes, in the same way that most school districts in the Atlanta Region require the parents of every child enrolling in schools in their districts to sign a affidavid swearing that they live in the district at the start of each school year (Gwinnett does not require proof of residency due to the exceptionally high amount of transient students in the district, a funding formula that is based on receiving additional federal funds because of that high transiency rate and sheer number of students in such a massive district) would scare many illegals from even stepping foot in the state for fear of being reported to immigration authorities for deportation.

Case-in-point: Many immigrant families, both legal and illegal, move into Gwinnett because of the reputation of the Gwinnett County Public School system which over the last decade has become minority-majority district meaning that non-whites now make up approximately 55% of the over 162,000 students enrolled in the district.

The State of Georgia could put a huge dent in the illegal immigration (and overcrowding) problem tomorrow just by the simple act of requiring the family of every student to show proof of and report their immigration status upon enrollment in school every year just like many districts require proof of residency every year, even going so far as to hire private investigators to ensure that new students enrolling in the district actually live in the district.

But the corrupt legislators don't really want to put a dent in the problem of illegal immigration as most legislators in the GOP are doing all that they can to stall on voting on the bill to ban illegals from ALL state taxpayer-supported colleges and universities, hoping to stonewall a final vote on the bill long enough until the session is over which is nonsense as this is a simple bill that should have been voted on by the entire General Assembly weeks ago and should be ready for Governor Deal to sign into law.

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Exador3 2 years ago

Let's say the state does that. Then what? They either don't provide anything or they come right out and say they are "undocumented". The state will report them to ICE, who won't do anything unless they are repeat felons. And the feds won't allow any enforcement other than federal. So it's a nice pipe dream, but with the current administration it will only be a waste of money.

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notblind 2 years ago

All 50 states should have stood up to the activist judges on the Supreme Court ruling mentioned above. An illegal alien has no moral or legal rationalization for being inside our borders so how can they be permitted in public schools ?

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notblind 2 years ago

Everyone interested in the illegal alien issue should read the Plyler V Doe info on Wiki. The dissenting judges wrote that the other judges were trying to Congress' job. In other words, Congress needed to pass laws to cover this situation instead of the SCOTUS acting on very shaky premises that address social issues instead of LAW issues.

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BuzzG 2 years ago

It is time to send them home. There is a long line of people waiting to get into this country legally. Let illegals go home and, if they still wish to return, let them get in the back of the line. By the way, they called illegal aliens. The left (the press and ACLU) has tried to control the conversation by changing their name to "undocumented workers." But people quickly caught on. They are not undocumented. They have documents from their own countries. And many do not work.

SB 458 would remove illegal aliens from the state college system. Right now it is tied up in the House Rules committee. Call your congressman at the State House and tell him to vote yes on SB 458. You know that the illegal aliens have a big lobby (including the deep pockets of the ACLU), RAZA and many others. They need to hear the voices of regular people.

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BurritoJones 2 years ago

But if we get rid of the immigrants, who will we blame all our problems on?

Don't you people have something better to do than gripe about whether or not a landscaper gets an education? Most of you are Christians. Do you picture Jesus saying "nah.. don't teach those people. They're not paying enough taxes"?

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notblind 2 years ago

Illegal aliens are NOT immigrants. Nice try though. And putting words in Jesus' mouth while making false statements ?? WOW ! You also forgot to play the { false } race card.

I blame most of our problems on politicians and bureaucrats. If they were doing their job we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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news2me 2 years ago

"Don't you people have something better to do than gripe about whether or not a landscaper gets an education?"

Landscapers don't need college degrees to mow grass and spread pinestraw. Why waste that education on an illegal that can't get a job because they are not legal citizen?

Burrito, why don't you stop your griping and go apply for citizenship. The American Dream can only be obtained by obeying the laws of this country. The American taxpayers have practically given you a free k-12 public education, now you want more?

Oh, and when all the ILLEGALS are gone we will blame our problems on the liberal loonies and politicans that wanted to keep you here and give you Amnesty. Only hypocrits support Illegal Aliens, as they have the most to gain or lose by your Illegal presense on US soil.

The US can survive and thrive without Illegals. Most Americans are more than willing up for the challenge.

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R 2 years ago

Sorry the church was told to treat people equally under the law and that's all that is being addressed here, as opposed to FAVORITISM.

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notblind 2 years ago

So your church thinks breaking the law is correct and proper ???

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Sthrnldy 2 years ago

BurritoJones? You have got to be kidding US with that screen name. You were not even looking to be taken seriously, were you now?

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RiggaTony 2 years ago

This is long overdue. It's bad enough that they come here. The last thing we need for them to be college educated. If we can't get them out of here, then at least they can remain poor and destitute with no chance for improving their lives. We're better off as society having a lower tier of people who have nothing to lose.

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news2me 2 years ago

They can't get a job in this country after college unless they are legal or applying for citzenship. I would have alot more respect and compassion if they applied for citizenship BEFORE attempting to go to college. They have the smarts and willpower to go to college, but not to become a citizen? Every indication and observation is that illegal aliens are just waiting around for the feds to GIVE them AMNESTY. How much more time should we allow them to do the right thing if they truely want the American dream? They have had more than enough time and many more Americans are getting fed up with every story like this that comes about.

The American dream is not easy for someone that was born here, why should it be easier or given to someone that is Illegal?

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Braveshopr 2 years ago

Take the military out of Afghanistan and secure the borders please! And for that matter, secure the shopping malls too. Their sheer number, excessively loud mouths, all speaking Spanish, and their unruly, untended children have created a situation where no one wants to venture out in public anymore. They cruise around with a purloined shopping cart, then leave it where ever their car is, far away from the original store. They could care less about the trash they create and soiled diapers are left outside their car on the ground. They either don't care or can't read the 'no littering' signs or both. Sorry for the rant, but an add-on to the above comments that even simple day to day life has been encumbered and changed for the worse.

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notblind 2 years ago

One idea I thought of is to build a series of huge military bases on the southern border. Build a huge naval base in the Gulf of Mexico right on the border and another over on the Pacific side. Then build some Air Force bases in between and in the other gaps build Army and Marine Corps bases and training areas. The money needed to build the bases would come from closing down most of our bases in Europe, Japan and South Korea. We could also close down a number of bases in the US that would be made surplus by the new border bases.

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toby 2 years ago

If I sneek into another country, and if I'm not thrown into prison or shot on sight, will that country give me a free education and spending money and health care? If the answer is yes, where is that country?

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GwinnettGirl 2 years ago

This just doesn't make sense. So we're going to pay to educate them for 12 years, pay for extra ESL teachers, pay for their lunch because they can qualify for free lunch, pay for translators, and other public school services, and then after we've put in all these tax dollars, then they can't pay the state to further their education? I can see both sides of the issues, but education starts in the public school. School systems are overloading classes, facing budget cuts, slashing staff, but still providing, in most cases, an excellent education to all, immigrants, legal & illegal & citizens. Agree with ACC12:
"Many immigrant families, both legal and illegal, move into Gwinnett because of the reputation of the Gwinnett County Public School system which over the last decade has become minority-majority district meaning that non-whites now make up approximately 55% of the over 162,000 students enrolled in the district. The State of Georgia could put a huge dent in the illegal immigration (and overcrowding) problem tomorrow just by the simple act of requiring the family of every student to show proof of and report their immigration status upon enrollment in school every year just like many districts require proof of residency every year"

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R 2 years ago

Yes it makes sense. College resources need to be focused on those who can work here LEGALLY . As to the K-12 waste of resources, that policy needs to corrected next

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Stu 2 years ago

The profound lack of compassion and understanding reflected in these comments makes me ashamed to live in Gwinnett. These attitudes are completely inconsistent with the teachings of every religion.

I have traveled widely in rural Mexico. The generosity I was consistently shown there reflects badly on Georgia. The poorer the people I met, the more ready they were to share what little food they had. Yet we, who are so well-off in comparison, treat their compatriots with heartless contempt.

Most immigrants from Mexico in Gwinnett are here for one simple reason -- they can't make a living for their family in their country. This isn't their fault. In many cases it is because the come from rural communities whose agriculature was wiped out by U.S. agribusiness following NAFTA -- not that different from what we see happening here at home. Like previous immigrants, they come here to make better lives for their children.

Most of them would immigrate legally if they could, but the current immigration system is hopelessly stacked against them. Meanwhile, employers clamor for their cheap labor and take advantage of their vulnerable status -- yet no one holds the employers accountable. That might take some courage.

Most immigrants in Gwinnett live in intact families. Many own their homes. They pay sales, payroll, and property taxes. They pay for services that they will never receive.

Our response? We force our police to hunt them down for deportation like fugitive slaves. The results are plain to see: fractured families, a breakdown in security as Hispanics are reluctant to report crimes to the police, and a community that is poorer, not only economically, but also in terms of decency, civility, and cultural richness.

The longer I live in Georgia, the clearer it becomes that there are some major historical issues here that have never been addressed. One of the first purveyors of anti-immigrant attitudes in the South was the Ku Klux Klan. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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news2me 2 years ago

Maybe you should return to Mexico to live on a permanent basis, along with all the Illegals that you are making money off here and can't survive without surrounded by the haters here in the US. Georgia's attitude comes from the invasion and illegal activity we have to consistently deal with. Other states that don't have to deal with Illeglas are also taking steps to deal with potential problems.

Mexico needs rebuilding due to the earthquake. They are in need of lots of labor. Why don't you, along with all of your Illegal friends, so some compassion and go help the country.

Please spare us with your hate labels and guilt trip. You are probably a hypocrit that can't survive with Illegals. Those that scream the loudest in support of Illegals are typically the benefiting from them the most. Your games no longer work on most American citizens, even legal immigrants.

Lead by example and show them the way back home. Mexico desperately needs your help!

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 2 years ago

Don't even try and change the subject and purposefully obfuscate the issue with a bunch of bleeding heart rhetoric about how immigrants are here to feed their families and make better lives for themselves when YOU know good and well that this discussion is NOT the least bit about legal immigration, but about ILLEGAL immigration.

And with all of your supposedly "compassionate" far-left rhetoric during your rant you conveniently forgot to mention all of the ill-effects that excessive illegal immigration have had on this community, ill-effects like a spike in the number of drug cartel-related kidnappings which have resulted from a very extreme spike in the amount of Latin American drug cartel and gang activity which has been hard to ignore with all of the exploding meth labs in once-tranquil exurban and suburban neighborhoods.

Infamous Latin American street gangs and major drug cartels like Latin Kings, SUR-13, the 18th Street Gang, the Mexican Mafia and the infamous MS-13 have a DOMINANT presence in this community and pose an increasingly serious and mortal threat to public safety as evidenced by the undisputed fact that Gwinnett County has become the illegal drug distribution center of the entire Eastern North American continent while I-85 has become one of the busiest single drug, gun, illegal cash and human smuggling highways on the entire planet (drugs and people are smuggled northbound on I-85 up the Eastern Seaboard while guns and money are smuggled southbound on I-85 towards Mexico and Central and South America on a daily basis as federal and local authorities catch a staggering amount of illegal activity on the highway which is but admittedly only a small fraction of what is a multibillion-dollar business).

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notblind 2 years ago

Firstly, I would like to say that Georgians will not miss you when you depart so don't delay. Actually, I think you are just an illegal alien cheerleader with an indefensible agenda and your only possible tactic is hysterics. Anybody that has spent even a few minutes reading the news or looking at the Gwinnett County Sheriff's site docket books can see what huge numbers of illegal aliens are really up to. With that out of the way -

I was watching the Al Gore Network and the correspondent was in Mexico interviewing some wives left behind while their husband was illegally in America trying to make a living. The one woman that really stood out and [ inadvertently ] explained the real issue stated that she had 8 young kids. What in the world are you doing having 8 kids when you can't even properly care for 1 ???!?!?!?!?!

You hear this over and over in interviews with illegals- "I have 5 kids and no job in Mexico". Is this the type of person we want to make a citizen or to even allow to work here???

I really do feel compassion for the kids. Being born to stupid and irresponsible parents is an almost impossible situation to rise out of. Nonetheless, it is time for us to put Americans first. The gooberment is cutting aid for the aged, cutting previously promised care for career military people, cutting aid for the truly needy while spending billions on illegal aliens, anchor babies, foreign aid to countries that are inimical to our society, spending billions on unnecessary military hardware while neglecting the troops, spending billions on harebrained NASA schemes, spending billions on scientific harebrained schemes, etc.

ALL this spending while we are having to borrow money from abroad to keep our failed government afloat !!!!!

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Braveshopr 2 years ago

I have no compassion for them when I see a young man and woman toting around an infant, and two more babies, all under the age of four - how do they propose to feed and care for them and (adequately) attend to them as these children grow older, hungrier, and needier.

You said: "Most immigrants from Mexico in Gwinnett are here for one simple reason -- they can't make a living for their family in their country. This isn't their fault"

It most certainly is, and your reasoning is askew. They are making those babies HERE, at our expense, btw. They travel here and have their babies here, or have you not descended from your ivory tower and looked around at all the babies in strollers as well as in hand, on any street at any time of the day. The blame lies strictly upon them and their bad choices.

I too have traveled to Mexico and I doubt you did a lot of traveling 'in rural Mexico" , perhaps outside some tourist area where they cater to foreigners, but not inside "rural Mexico" not unless you wore a white garment and had a halo over your head.

You said: "Yet we, who are so well-off in comparison, treat their compatriots with heartless contempt." Americans have given until it hurts. The "heartless contempt" belongs to them.

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notblind 2 years ago

One more point about the federal government's refusal to do their job. 9-11 most likely doesn't happen if they had followed a policy of aggressively pursuing all illegal aliens. The government's outright encouragement of illegal aliens of all definitions made 9-11 possible.

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A_Gwinnetian 2 years ago

I do not want people flouting our laws, sneaking into our country, and given the same benefits as citizens. HOWEVER....children brought here have NO CHOICE but to accompany their parents wherever their parents choose to go (my child certainly has no choice). These illegal children may not have been born here, but have been raised here as Americans. I don't know what should be done about illegal children brought here by no decision of their own....but, I do have compassion for them. Put yourself in their shoes: You are brought into a country/culture and you are given no decision about the subsequent course of your life. Do you try to make the best of things in the place you know and remember? Or do you abandon everything that you know to be law-abiding? My best thought is to avoid this situation entirely by making it extremely unpleasant for the illegal parents to come into our country in the first place. But, once the child is here....what do we do?

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 2 years ago

"My best thought is to avoid this situation entirely by making it extremely unpleasant for the illegal parents to come into our country in the first place. But, once the child is here....what do we do?"

Well, were it not for the almost near total lack of illegal immigration enforcement in the 20 years after the amnesty that gave three million illegals citizenship in 1986, the pragmatic side of me would be willing to award a very limited amnesty to and ONLY to children that were brought here illegally by their parents on the very strict conditions that, a) FIRST AND FOREMOST the Southern U.S. border with Mexico is COMPLETELY LOCKDOWN and TOTALLY SECURED with how ever many ARMED troops are needed so that future illegal immigration across that border becomes totally and completely non-existent, b) those illegal brought here as young children serve this nation in a branch of the U.S. armed forces for a certain number of years before they were eligible for full U.S. citizenship, c) pass a full U.S. citizenship written test to prove that they have a full working knowledge of U.S. history and culture, d) have NO prior criminal history besides of obvious offense of being in the nation illegally, e) that after earning a high school diploma with no less than a B average, those brought here as children must complete four years of higher education and earn a four-year degree at out-of-state tuition rates.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 2 years ago

The U.S. border with Mexico must be TOTALLY and COMPLETELY SECURED with a heavily-armed military presence before anything can be done with those illegals who were brought here as young children. The mistakes of the 1986 amnesty debacle cannot and will not be repeated where millions of illegals are unconditionally given U.S. Citizenship while our borders, especially the southern U.S. border with Mexico, remain virtually unsecured and tens-of-millions more illegals are allowed to flood across a virtually non-existent border. That southern border absolutely MUST be locked down and secured iron-tight first and foremost before any other action can be taken with those that are in this country illegally as massive illegal immigration and unsecured borders are a gravely serious issue that pose a mortal threat to U.S. security (Case-in-points: 1.) Loose, almost non-existent border security allowed the 9-11 hijackers to wonder in-and-out of the country with total ease across the CANADIAN border; 2.) The Mexican Army routinely makes frequent forays across the southern U.S. border into very sparcely-populated areas to secure and escort Mexican drug kingpins and their high-dollar drug shipments into the U.S.; 3.) Phoenix, Arizona had more kidnappings than any other city on the entire planet outside of Mexico City in 2008, 368 kidnappings to be exact, with virtually all of the kidnappings being related to the hyperactivity of Latin American drug cartels).

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 2 years ago

Though the reality is that the 1986 amnesty debacle that gave amnesty to three million illegals and yet still saw that three million number turn into more than twenty million illegals two decades later has most Americans in no mood to discuss amnesty because after seeing what happened last time, most Americans don't trust that the Feds will actually do anything to restrict illegal immigration.

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Sthrnldy 2 years ago

You mean ....... Reagan (R) was a compassionate conservative? I find it hysterical that Illegal supporters use this argument. You are right, the '86 amnesty was an epic failure. This Illegal invasion today is just waiting for their modern day amnesty Dream Act to pass. Illegals are not stupid, they know exactly what they are doing. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

The welcome mat is worn out for decades of abuse. Most Americans citizens are done and FED up with playing nice!

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Stu 2 years ago

First of all, let me apologize for interrupting your echo chamber. I realize that it may be irritating to have to engage in debate with someone who actually disagrees with your premises if you're unaccustomed to this experience.

And I will acknowledge that some undocumented immigrants are guilty of horrendous crimes such as driving with the lights on their license plates being out of order. (Being undocumented itself, incidentally, is a civil offense, not a criminal one.) But don't worry -- most of them are too scared to drive anywhere any way.

And this applies to legal immigrants as well, since they are as likely to be pulled over as undocumented immigrants, given that the litmus test being applied is skin color. A 75-year-old Hispanic member of my congregation who has a PhD and has lived in this country his entire life was stopped by the police on this basis. Wouldn't you find it offensive to be asked to provide proof of your citizenship if you were in his shoes?

Finally, I will confess that I am motivated by a subversive book that can be dangerous when one tries to actually live its principles. But it isn't The Communist Manifesto. Perhaps you are familiar with it. I am thinking in particular of a passage that goes "I was a stranger and you invited me in." Or the passage that reads: "whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me."

I think that we're supposed to try to practice these principles in our interactions with our neighbors 24/7, not just for a couple of hours on Sunday mornings.

Que Dios nos bendiga. Lord knows we need it.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 2 years ago

Dude, "undocumented" immigrants do A LOT more than drive with burnt-out tag lights as there have been way-too-many instances of hit-and-run collisions with innocent motorists and pedustrians being killed and maimed by unlicensed illegal alien drivers who then flee the scene of the collision and are never found due to being "undocumented" (The Dustin Inman Society is an anti-ILLEGAL immgration advocacy organization that is named for a teenage boy who was killed and whose parents were severely maimed when their car was rear-ended at full-speed by an unlicensed illegal alien driver while sitting at a stoplight on Hwy 515 in North Georgia, the unlicensed illegal alien that was driving the vehicle that rear-ended them fled the scene of the collision, was never apprehended and remains at-large to this day).

Not-to-mention the through-the-roof and still growing instances of identity theft, a crime which is being fueled heavily by massive illegal immigration where illegals still the Social Security numbers, credit histories and identities of both living and decreased American citizens to illegally obtain jobs, homes, credit cards, etc.

And don't forget all of the violent crimes like burglary, armed robbery, kidnapping, human smuggling, human enslavement and, of course, murder, that have been spawned from this massive invasion of illegals that has been openly encouraged by both the governments of the U.S. and Mexico as well as big and small businesses alike for the access to an off-the-books cheap, docile labor pool.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 2 years ago

Americans can be and already are a VERY compassionate people. In fact, Americans are some of the most compassionate people in human history as who else on the planet gives away more aid to other nations and in what other countries can anyone just enter the country WITHOUT PERMISSION and openly demand that they be given the same benefits as the legal citizens already living there with virtually no consequence?

More than one out of every six people born in Mexico lives in the United States.

It is very much understood that Mexico and Latin America have some really severe problems with poverty, but it is NOT America's responsibility to take care of Mexico and Latin America's problems as has seemingly become the case with a shockingly large and growing Latin American gang and drug cartel presence, illegals moving into the U.S. to partake in American entitlements, benefits and employment, entitlements and benefits that are intended for American citizens to use in times of distress, NOT for illegal aliens to exploit for their own benefit.

It can definitely be argued that there is a real and legitimate need for LEGAL immigration to fulfill LEGITIMATE labor needs (see the rotting produce in the agricultural fields of South Georgia last year), but this backward virtually non-existent border enforcement convoluted "immigration policy" which has helped to fuel the problem of massive illegal immigration is NOT only not the way to go, but is also dangerously harmful to American citizens and is even a deadly threat to our way of life with the increased threat from international terrorism.

We have got to get our borders under control and we have got to get a handle on the massive amount of illegal immigration that has resulted from not having a coherent, structured and REALISTIC immigration policy at the insistence of shady corporate interests looking to maximize profit margins.

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Sthrnldy 2 years ago

"Que Dios nos bendiga." Bless your heart Stu, you have learned to speak the language of your employees! I am sure they love you for that!

That "echo chamber" you here in these posts must tell you something, that your Opinion is definitely in the minority in Gwinnett, Georgia and in the US.

Since you are so much more Christian than the rest of us, please do more to help your employees. Take them into your home and take care of their EVERY need! You must adopt as many Illegal families as you can.

Since YOUR interpretation of the Bible tells you to that Illegals must be shown greater compassion than legal US residents, you are not doing enough. LIVE what you preach and demand of others, Stu. You won't earn your wings and get past the pearly gates unless you spend your life and all your money being compassionate to Illegals.

Adios, Stu! You've got LOTS of work to do! God Bless!

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RiggaTony 2 years ago

As usual, Sthrnldy is dead right. This country was founded BY white Christians FOR white Christians. If you're not both of the above, kindly show yourself the door! You keep blessin' their hearts until they get that simple fact, Sthrnldy!

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Sthrnldy 2 years ago

"Wouldn't you find it offensive to be asked to provide proof of your citizenship if you were in his shoes?"

To answer your question, NO! If I were a legal Immigrant of the US, I would be MORE than proud of my citizenship and allegiance to the US and it's laws. Those documents would be proof of my love for my country and my commitment to my family for a better, LEGAL life in the US.

And by the way, I know many lifelong citizens that can't leave home without proof of who they are. Identity theft victims have to endure this type of burden as well.

The arguments for support of Illegal aliens are not working anymore.

Sorry, Stuey!

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R 2 years ago

Sorry must of us already provide proof of citizenship, it's called driver license and proof of insurance please...

"I was a stranger and you invited me in" that's just it they aren't invited, they broke in.... BIG difference

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R 2 years ago

Sorry but most of us already provide proof of legitimacy when we hear "Proof of insurance and Driver's license please ..."

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R 2 years ago

We are discussing ILLEGAL immigrants NEVER should they be considered the same issue...

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notblind 2 years ago

Your hispanic PhD American citizen friend is just as much a victim of the illegal aliens as any other American citizen. All American citizens are paying in many ways.

Another aspect of the hispanic racial profiling that is now prevalent is to wonder if a hispanic American citizen is an anchor baby themselves ? In my building resentment against illegal aliens for their immoral invasion of America I find myself thinking this question often. If it was possible to track this question back to the beginning of the country I bet the answer would surprise a lot of people.

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Braveshopr 2 years ago

'And I will acknowledge that some undocumented immigrants are guilty of horrendous crimes such as driving with the lights on their license plates being out of order"

Sarcasm attempting to hide a thin veil of hatred.

You said: "But don't worry -- most of them are too scared to drive anywhere any way."

Untrue. Go anywhere - any shopping mall, or, to make it convenient, any Mexican grocery store and the cars are lined up in the parking lot. They are not afraid, in fact they know, as you know, there isn't anything of which to be afraid. They are flaunting their freedom to live here, as well as their spanish tongue and their 4 - 5 children. The fact is, they are draining our coffers from birth right on through to old age. They've moved right in, the weather is pleasant and they don't intend to leave.

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Stu 2 years ago

Again, I apologize for puncturing a fact-free diatribe with inconvenient truths. I recognize that some may find this disconcerting.

In the words of Dr. King, "nothing pains some people more than having to think." But making the effort never killed anyone. Nor, for that matter, did learning a few phrases of another language -- or traveling -- or imagining what it would be like to be in a less fortunate person's shoes. It can even expand one's mind and your heart.

And if we're going to talk about vested economic interests, let's not forget the private prison industrial complex. These companies are big business, and they don't hesitate to throw their weight around to maximize their profits. The more beds in their facilities are filled, the more money they make, so they support policies that fill these beds, whether with criminals or with undocumented immigrants -- men, women, and children. The longer they detain immigrants before deporting them, the richer they get.

Their executives are on record as saying that it would be a serious blow to their bottom lines if we relaxed our criminal and immigration policies. So they have a vested interest in criminalizing immigrants so that they can keep feeding at the public trough.

I don't know about you, but I would rather my tax dollars go to educating young people than paying for ever larger human storage tanks. Georgia, which last time I checked is nowhere near the border, is already home to the largest detention facility in the country. One day our grandchildren will visit these monstrosities the way we visit Andersonville today and wonder how we let this happen.

So we are up against an unholy mix of public prejudice and corporate greed. The final ingredient in this mess is politicians who are too focused on pandering for votes and campaign contributions from the anti-immigrant lobby to stop to consult their consciences. Given that by 2050 one in four Americans will be Hispanic, I suspect that many policymakers recognize that these types of measures are shortsighted in addition to being immoral, but precious few have the guts to stand up for what is right. If JFK were to write a sequel to Profiles in Courage today, it would be a pitifully slim volume.

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Sthrnldy 2 years ago

Bless your heart, Stuey! You couldn't care less if Illegals go to college, as long as they stay in this country and continue to multiply and mow your lawn and pick your produce for cheap. The "browning of America" is all you are after. Dominance, power, control. Guilt trips, hate labels and the race card all the mix to get the job done. The religious holier-than-thou diatribe of yours was a warming touch, too! Corporate greed is code for I hate rich white folks, isn't it? References to JFK and MLK take the cake!

You liberals are just using Illegals for your personal and culture gain. You need them to lift you up a class level or so in society. They are part of your American Dream of superiority and power. Good luck with the reversal of fortune that you are so desparate to achieve.

You posted so many times your story just became riddled with holes and your agenda became crystal clear with every comeback and post.

Bless your heart, your name is not .. Stu :)

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notblind 2 years ago

Everybody in this country that loves this country should also be exceedingly irritated about the widely predicted " one in four ....". Hispanics are doing nothing more than stealing their much heralded future clout. They are doing in via decades of illegal immigration and the immoral hijacking of the 14th Amendment.

This underhanded grab for power doesn't bode well for what they will do with this power if this prediction actually comes true. It could also just be smoke and mirrors and BS to sway current public opinion .

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Stu 2 years ago

It's interesting that the loudest defenders of freedom are quite content with government oppression as long as its directed at someone else. But this is a dangerous game. Once you empower the coercive power of the state to go after one group, that same power can easily be turned on others. In the words of the German pastor Martin Niemoller:

"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me."

But despite the dark days we are living, I remain hopeful. After all, just 150 years ago most white Americans supported slavery -- or looked away. Abolitionists were considered dangerous fanatics. Fifty years ago segregation was the law of the land in the South, and most white southerners supported it -- or lacked the courage to speak up against it. Civil rights advocates were considered outside agitators and rabblerousers, with special venom directed at whites who stood up for equal rights.

Now I foresee a new civil rights movement arising, one that will sweep away the latest, socially acceptable, politically correct form of prejudice. As Dr. King was fond of saying, "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice."

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Sthrnldy 2 years ago

Stuey, great work scouring the internet finding items to copy and paste to support your agenda. Your compassion for Illegals and your hatred for your fellow legal citizens and neighbors rings loud and clear. Keep posting, as the real Stuey keeps revealing himself for the wolf in sheeps clothing that you are! :)

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notblind 2 years ago

Stu, your last paragraph is full of falsehoods. Firstly, civil rights are for CITIZENS. Illegal aliens are not citizens. The truth is that they have no moral or legal justification for being inside our borders.

Secondly, their immoral hijacking of the 14th Amendment actually has the effect of taking civil rights AWAY from everybody else in the country. Illegal aliens and their advocates are promoting illegal aliens over the welfare of the rest of the citizens of the country. So actually what is happening is that American citizens of all races are having their civil rights negatively impacted by the illegal aliens.

Right now black American citizens are the worst impacted by the flood of illegals. They find their power and voice in the American dialogue being eroded by a population explosion of illegal aliens and their anchor babies. People that should not even be in this country are actually stealing the political clout of our black citizens.

As for your Dr. King quote; the last word is the key one - "...justice." Illegal aliens are breaking the law just by being here and they do deserve justice.

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kevin 2 years ago

the title of this story says it all. No free ride for illegals. The word illegal mean "against the law." What part of the English language do you not understand? goodby once and for all. Why hasn't your PRes Obama made it easier to come here legally and to become a citizen? He wants the hispanic vote but screws them where it counts the most.

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JohninSuwanee 1 year, 12 months ago

It's actually a shame that we even have to pass such laws. If people are here illegally, it should be clear that they should not be able to avail themselves to the benefits of our government-supported programs. As most Americans, I just filed my income taxes and had to pay dearly for those programs to exist. The thought of illegals being able to benefit from those programs is infuriating to say the least.

As a payer of property tax in Gwinnett County, it’s equally infuriating to think that these illegals are attending our (K-12) public schools at such a great cost to us. I realize that GCPS has no say, as this is federally mandated, but it’s the tax paying citizens like me who are having to foot the bill for them to do so.

Under different circumstances, I might not take such a hard stance on this issue, but the fact is that the pure scale of this problem has gotten so out-of-hand, IT IS drastically affecting our way of life. Meanwhile, we sit by and do nothing…afraid that we are going to offend someone or look like bad guys. It’s well past the time to stop this nonsense and enforce the law!

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