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What is next for Briscoe Field?

Photo by Corinne Nicholson

Photo by Corinne Nicholson

LAWRENCEVILLE -- With a vote to not only reject a proposal to add commercial flights to Briscoe Field but to also pull out of a Federal Aviation Administration privatization pilot program, commissioners hoped to bring a swift end to a divisive issue that has lingered over the county political plane for three years.

But many of the vigilant protesters aren't convinced they can rest, especially since they believed the issue was put to rest by a community response in the 1990s.

With elections coming in the next several months -- including non-binding straw polls already slated to be on local Republican and Democrat ballots in July -- and a possible lawsuit on the horizon, many wonder if the controversy is over.

Officials, though, say the end of the federal privatization program is a signal that at least current leaders are putting the issue aside.

"We're saying the privatization route is not something we are trying to do," Chairwoman Charlotte Nash said of the vote. "It's not in the foreseeable future, for sure."

"This would be the final step to close this chapter," Commissioner Mike Beaudreau added.

But that doesn't mean that talk of improving the 40-year-old Briscoe Field is over.

"(The issue) really made us aware that we have an asset that's been underutilized," said Commissioner Lynette Howard, who sat in on meetings of a citizens review board looking into ways to make the airport a "first-class" facility, whether it was privatized or not. "I don't think anyone can dispute that we should all use this asset further. ... It will make the area improve. It will make the community have something to work toward as a goal."

For years, officials have worked to upgrade the infrastructure at the airport, although any moves from the removal of trees to adding a wash stand depended on federal grants.

But while looking into the commercial flights issue, the citizens group advised the county commission to pay more attention to local funding for some issues, such as dilapidated hangars, and strongly advised leaders to push for federal approval to add customs proceedings at the airfield, which could draw more business jets there.

Those suggestions are being reviewed by county transportation, along with the airport master plan, Gwinnett government spokesman Joe Sorenson said, to create a business plan for the airport.

"That plan will be presented later this summer as a part of our annual budget process," Sorenson said.

Jimmy Norton, a former chairman of the airport authority who pushed for the addition of commercial flights as part of the Fly Gwinnett Forward organization, said he was worried that all of the negativity from those who protested the proposal would stifle those efforts.

"My biggest fear is they have left our airport besmirched and slandered and will no longer support it, as they had intended," he said.

And even with the votes to halt the privatization process, many of the protesters planned to keep an eye on the issue.

"I just hope it goes another 18 to 20 years before it comes up again," Terry Sossebee said after last week's vote, referring to the last debate in the early 1990s.

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MissDaisyCook 1 year, 10 months ago

Litty bitty, Albany, Georgia airport benefitted the community by $54 million. Bless their hearts, our close-minded, selfish, anti-airport, anti-progress group of citizen has hurt the entire community by their close-mindedness and their intimidation of our BOC.

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R 1 year, 10 months ago

Yes reading the fine print or lack thereof was a real buzz kill...

And only those who pave from "line to county line" are "informed" and intelligent citizens...

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rco1847 1 year, 10 months ago

And the Ameican taxpayer is spending about $4000. per passenger for evey commercial flight from Albany.

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MissDaisyCook 1 year, 10 months ago

Just a little research shows clearly - not true.

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rco1847 1 year, 10 months ago

True -divide all flights into the total development, operation and maintenence and it's very accurate.

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dentaldawg83 1 year, 10 months ago

you use Albany Georgia as a shining example?...LOLOL!!!!

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jack 1 year, 10 months ago

I know my dream of owning a combination strip club/tattoo parlor is no longer viable here. Hmmm....Albany..........

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Katrina 1 year, 10 months ago

Yes, we're selfish--we want our kids to breathe clean air and go to schools where they can actually hear what the teacher is saying. Tell me, what would you be willing to give up for your community? Your kids' health? Your quality of life? Thousands of dollars of your home's property value? Bless your heart, we'd really like to know...

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rotom 1 year, 10 months ago

MDC, how many small airports are within 40 miles of little bitty albany,ga? how many airports are within atlanta give or take 30-60 miles? What freaking jobs, taxi cabs, mcdonalds,hooters, where are all those benefits from our baseball stadium? hey lets build some hud homes.

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bettergwinnett 1 year, 10 months ago

Everyone please be aware Jimmy Norton owns Air Harbor, a Briscoe airplane hanger business, and would have benefited if Propeller purchased his ground lease.

While Jimmy laments the "loss" to Gwinnett and citizens it is really his checking account that is sad.

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rco1847 1 year, 10 months ago

Jimmy Norton is looking out for himself and no one else. If any one gave a bad name to the "cause " for improvment of the airport it was people like him who tried to shove commercialization down the public throat. The will and the wisdon of the people will continue to prevail on this issue and if they continued to push for privatizing, commercializing and expansion it my be also the will of the people to shut it down completely.

A good way to smuggle drugs? Buy an airport.

A good path to corporate welfare? Buy an airport.

A good route to public subsidies and taxpayer bailout? Buy an airport.

Nice try Jimmy - again.

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rco1847 1 year, 10 months ago

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gwinnettisgreat1 1 year, 10 months ago

Boom goes the dynamite. Maybe spell check would be a start for you. Just my 2 SENTS or is it CENTS? Geeze...

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NewsReader 1 year, 10 months ago

Just what is the "...airport master plan..." Joe Sorenson speaks of? I would like to see what that is and who the authors are. That should make for some interesting reading don't you think?

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166LZU 1 year, 10 months ago

The Airport Master Plan was last submitted to the County back in February 2009 by Pegasus Associates International - although most of the information is circa 2005/2006. It contains the results of the noise analysis performed with 2005 aircraft operations data, environmental considerations, runway alternatives, etc., etc.. It identified incompatible land use west of the existing "2005" airport, based on noise above 65 DNL in residential areas. The Plan recommended adding a 2nd 5000 foot runway to enhance General Aviation. There was no consideration for scheduled passenger service in the Plan.

So, the Plan was put together at some cost - and essentially completely disregarded over the last couple of years as commercialization was considered.

I got my copy of the Plan from the Gwinnett County DOT. To me, this is something that should be made available at the County website.

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notblind 1 year, 10 months ago

If you turned the place into a industrial park the vast majority of Gwinnett citizens would not be negatively impacted in any way whatsoever. I would also not be afraid to theorize that the vast majority of Gwinnett citizens have never even been on the grounds of the airport. So why should any taxpayer monies be spent to directly benefit a very small percentage of our citizens ? Even "...federal grants..." is tax money that came out of our collective pockets. General aviation is an ever shrinking sphere but many of the concepts of running local airports are leftovers from general aviation's glory days of the 50's, 60's and 70's.

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rco1847 1 year, 10 months ago

This article was written by Camie Young, a conspicous proponant of privatizing and commercializing Briscoe Field who totally disregards the will or wisdom of the people of Gwinnett County. She allows herself to be used by the "development at any cost" bunch and can't see how disstructive it would have been. Neighborhoods, parks, schools, medical facilities, living environment, traffic and quality of life are all subordinate to taxpayer subsidies, corporate welfare, bailouts and bilking the public for the 1%. I don't know where she lives but it must be somewhere close to Hartsfield - Jackson and all the wonderful effects.

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jkmurphy 1 year, 10 months ago

I've been newspapering for 32 years and Camie is among the finest, fairest reporters I have worked with. I take strong exception to the poster's comments. - JK Murphy Publisher

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Katrina 1 year, 10 months ago

During the last several years, whenever I went to BOC meetings and read about them in the Post the next day, Camie's articles were fair and accurate. I also noticed that Camie seemed quite well-liked by the attendees of the citizens' committee meetings, and most of them were anti-airport-expansion folks like me. I think the person attacking Camie is in a tiny minority.

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NewsReader 1 year, 10 months ago

rco1847, don't attack the messenger because you don't like the message. I still don't think she needs Nate to come to her defense, but she doesn't need any rogue attacks for reporting the news either.

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SabrinaWorks247 1 year, 10 months ago

I have always found Camie to be polite and professional.

Sabrina Smith Gwinnett Citizens for Responsible Government

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rco1847 1 year, 10 months ago

So on those merits we should have privatized and commercialized, Sabrina? Is that your criteria for a good business decision? Is that justification for having the country do business with someone disreputable? Is that your justification for destroying the home values of thousands of people and wrecking thie neighborhoods and letting the scam artists weigh down our county with tax subsidies, project funding, and othe corporate welfare? Does that excuse the criminal element that the republicans keep electing to our BOC? Where did you study business again?

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R 1 year, 10 months ago

rco

For the record, Sabrina Smith was against the expansion due to its impact and tax implications for the county.

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SabrinaWorks247 1 year, 10 months ago

I have no idea what you are talking about. I was opposed to commercial service at Briscoe. The process was tainted from the beginning. I filed open records requests and received approximately 10,000 pages of documents that made it crystal clear that this was not a fair and open process. My comment was about Camie. She has always been polite and professional every time I have spoken to her.

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Katrina 1 year, 10 months ago

rco, Sabrina was one of our most articulate and hard-working opponents of this airport privatization/expansion. You are attacking the wrong person when you attack Sabrina. I, too, was 1000% against the airport expansion, but I, too, feel that Camie Young's reporting was fair and accurate. Look, we are all on the same side here with regard to the airport.

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roaads1 1 year, 10 months ago

To end this debate for good you can watch for it to progress to a citizen vote. That's fair and puts this issue to rest.

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dan 1 year, 10 months ago

I'm willing to bet that if the citizens of Gwinnett got to vote on privatizing the airport it would pass and the airport would begin offering commercial flights. You have to remember that this would be a county wide vote and most people do not live near the airport.

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roaads1 1 year, 10 months ago

It's still affects every citizen of Gwinnett financially. That means everyone has a vote. That would be fair. I'm betting you're right. It would pass.

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rco1847 1 year, 10 months ago

you insult thieir intelligence and your own at the same time.

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R 1 year, 10 months ago

Actually this issue WAS voted on by the ENTIRE county with the election of Charlotte Nash. She campaigned on rejecting commercialization and won county wide on that platform.

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teelee 1 year, 10 months ago

What is next for Briscoe Field? The weeds will continue to grow, the flight schools will continue to struggle, the Flying Machine will continue to struggle, the empty shabby looking airplane hangars will remain empty, the water tower will continue to rust, and yes drugs will continue to be flown in there. It is much easier for the dopers to fly drugs in there now than if it was controlled by stricter FAA standards and full time security. If you think drugs are not being flown in there now you are either naive or in denial.

What is is next for Gwinnett County? It will remain number one in home foreclosures and personal bankruptcies. The public bus system will remain near empty, the Gwinnett Braves will continue to struggle and have low attendance along with the Georgia Force at the Gwinnett Arena. Empty businesses and homes will continue to litter the landscape and the Gwinnett County employees will continue to wonder if they are going to be furloughed, get their pay cut or lose their pensions.

Gwinnett County leaders had a chance to hit a home run with this airport and they blew it. This unrealistic fear and hysteria that somehow Briscoe was going to be as busy as Hartsfield-Jackson was so far from the truth. The entire process was handled poorly starting with Charles Bannister and ending with Shirley Lassiter who herself was also struggling with bills like the rest of us. They had a chance to support the sports teams and businesses of the county and actually use the buses. We could have had the finest regional airport in the country, something we could all be proud of and use. Even the loudest protesters would have found themselves catching a convenient flight out of Briscoe. Now the county may see yet another lawsuit over the way the whole thing was handled including last weeks vote. Not all of the commissioners are crooks, there are some good fine decent people on the board. I do however think their base pay needs to be raised to attract good candidates. I was shocked to find out how little they are paid. The county manger makes six figures and the commissioners should be paid more for the headaches and heartburn that they have to endure.

So for now this is how it will be. Eventually new commissioners will join the BOC, possibly some Democrats with very different points of view, and maybe they will see how important expanding Briscoe Field could be to support the floundering Gwinnett Economy. Hartsfield-Jackson is currently running commercials and bragging about their new international terminal and how much business they plan to see in the next 10 years. Will it fix all of the problems and fill all of the houses and businesses in Gwinnett County? The answer is no, but it is a step in the right direction. I predict the issue will come up again very soon and I hope it will be handled better the next time.

Some day Briscoe Field could look like this.

Some day Briscoe Field could look like this. by teelee

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notblind 1 year, 10 months ago

You are truly a visionary. :rolleyes:

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GregRodgers 1 year, 10 months ago

Wow...its over TeeLee...you're more chock fulla nuts than a can from planters....

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notblind 1 year, 10 months ago

You are defaming cans of nuts. I have never found a rotten nut in a can of Planters.....

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Geezer 1 year, 10 months ago

Looks like the real estate developer money is being spread around to try and reestablish the need to turn the Lawrenceville - Dacula - Suwanee area into the Hapeville - College Park - East Point area with all of the congestion, crime and drug smuggling.

And who is going to pay for the heavier need for law enforcement and traffic construction projects to support the commercial airport. Why the citizens of Gwinnett! Surprise.

And who is going to benefit financially from the commercialization? Why the land developers and real estate holders who own the land that will be needed for airport expansion and expanded highways to get people to that airport.

never forget that the "northern arc" that was to run from either I-85 or Georgia 400 depending on who you talked to was routed to run over some land that was owned by some already ver wealthy real estate developer land owners.

The arc was to donveniently end in Dacula just down the road from Briscoe Field. Do you get the picture.

Figures never lie and liars alway figure - a way to make money at others expense. Greed - pure and simple. Don't think they are alking already? They are always talking. That is why Gwinnett citizens will alway have to be vigilent as long as Briscoe Field is an airport.

Turn it into a park and the greedy will tur their attention elsewhere. Perhaps Gwinnett will even be safe as a county for quality life and families to be raised for years to come.

God bless Shirley L and the wiretaps.

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CD 1 year, 10 months ago

Brett's proposal was comical, completely bereft of detail, but had some pretty pictures. I just wish he could have included a few pictures of nice-looking Parisian dancers as well or perhaps even a flip-up portion would have been nice.

Disclosure statement: I do not own a pawnshop.

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R 1 year, 10 months ago

YOU apparently didn't get the "limited edition" glossy handout!

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rco1847 1 year, 10 months ago

Thanks TeeLee:

  1. For the picture of your fantasyland airport. A picture tells a thousand lies.
  2. For being so concerned for the pilots school. I realized you want corporate welfare for all the businesses and investors over there but that's not really how it's supposed to work. Lot's of businesses are hurting, a private pilots school isn't my first concern. BTW - commercial flights would eliminate that operation anyway. Which do you want - can't have both.
  3. You seem to have a lot of information about drug smuggling over there. I'll send your post to the police - drug enforcement.unit. Please be a good citizen and give them all the information you have. You weren't just bs-ing about that were you? In your spare time please paint the water tower instead of wasting all you time posting.
  4. You advocate the kind of things that wrecked this economy. Wall Street speculators, two wars financed by debt, government spending, taxpayer liability to underwrite risky ventures. You're a real business wizard.
  5. It's good to see your an apologist for Lasseter. & son who thought he was fyling in here with drugs. What should you be telling the Police?. How did the advocates for privatizing and commercializing fund their campaign? Were there Columbian backers maybe? What do you know about all that?
  6. Now please post a picture of 10s of thousands of citizens who would have been negatively impacted by your fantasy airport. Show the traffic congestion, (not just drug traffic), pollution, negative property values, abandoned homes, noise impact, tax subsidies and cost of subsidies and bailouts all for a few minimum wage jobs. You want fires with that?
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CLawrenceville 1 year, 10 months ago

The one thing everyone needs to remember is that aviation professionals and the FAA studied all aspects of Briscoe and all agreed that Briscoe is not a feasible sight for commercial flights. Their findings all say that no matter how you look at Briscoe, it will not succeed as a commercial airport. Airlines are moving away from Regional fields. Anyone who has read the reports realizes that this was doomed from the start and the taxpayers of Gwinnett would have been on the hook. The reports all say it only had a 1% chance of succeeding. Hopefully, all of this will have a good outcome for Briscoe. Both Lawrenceville and the Commissioners have agreed to take a look at Briscoe and see what improvements can be made at the field.

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Cleanupguy 1 year, 10 months ago

Hey – lighten up on Teepee – some of the best arguments against Briscoe commercialization have flowed forth from the glaringly obviously invested and factually challenged ones as epitomized by Teepee. Keep up the good work, Teepee, and thanks for helping to raise consciousness about this issue – should it ever come up again, it will be even easier to defeat thanks to your ravings. Regarding the “we need to vote on this” crowd, we in the Republic (wherein we choose leaders to make these decisions on our behalf) can do that shortly. Laurie McClain (of Fly Gwinnett Backward) is running against Jace Brooks (opposed to Briscoe commercialization) in District 1 – support one of these now or remain silent the next time we hear about this issue.

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Dubbin 1 year, 10 months ago

Has Mr. Brooks made any public statements about opposition to expanding Briscoe? I've been trying to find information on him and haven't been able to. It is clear that Ms. McClain is in the tank for the airport - that's for sure.

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LoganvilleResident 1 year, 10 months ago

If you vote on your political candidates based on a single issue, there is a problem. There is no way in the world that you will agree with every candidate on every single item on their platform. You need to be judging political candidates on the entire package and choosing the best one.

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notblind 1 year, 10 months ago

In this case the 'single issue' is important enough to be the determining factor in how a lot of people should and will vote.

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Dubbin 1 year, 10 months ago

At a district level I tend to support/vote for those who I feel will best impact the district with respect to zoning, land use and family friendly policies that provide a better quality of life. Somebody who thinks putting a commercial airport in the middle of Lawreceville, Dacula and Duluth clearly has no concept of proper land use or quality of life decision making. Plus, they are probably on the take from airport developers which is another strike against them. Again, anyone who supports this boondoggle is either stupid or stands to benefit from it - not someone I want to vote for either way.

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gordon7 1 year, 10 months ago

For those few people who say we missed the rescue boat when the BOC voted 4-0 against commercialization...I have one question for you.

What were your plans to deal with the 65,000 people who live within a couple of miles of Briscoe?

A buyout, noise abatement improvements, diminished property taxes...all are very expensive.

So, what's your answer?

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Dubbin 1 year, 10 months ago

They will let these people twist in the wind for 10 years while the Fed makes them file lawsuits. Meanwhile you can bet none of the people pushing this live within five miles of the airport. I noticed all the people who seemed to be for it lived in Norcross or Snellville. You ever notice that airline pilots don't live next to the airport either?

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jack 1 year, 10 months ago

Didn't the proposal stipulate that the people that living near Briscoe were going to become so rich from the financial bounty created by commercialization that they could all retire to villas on the French Riviera?

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CD 1 year, 10 months ago

I will settle for a small castle in Ireland.

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gwinnettisgreat1 1 year, 10 months ago

Pretty simple.

No one forced you to buy close to an airport. No one said, hey doh-doh... you do realize there is an airport within 3 miles of here, you might want to think long term.

No. You made the choice to move close to Briscoe. So the airport decides to TRY and grow. Now you are all up in arms because you live too close to the airport. Well boo hoo. Did I buy a house close to any major intersection of 316? No, because there is a good chance its going to be occupied by gas stations and businesses. Did I buy close to the aiport? No, because the noise is enough as is.

But here you sit, yacking about (Insert my whiny voice) "What about the 65,000 people..." What about them? I can't help that they were morons to move that close to the airport. It would be like moving close to a landfill and then complaining about the direction of the wind. That's dumb.

It doesn't matter though... Mayberry continues on, people stay out of work, BOC will run on "I voted against the airport...blah..blah.."

Be proud people. Be very proud.

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166LZU 1 year, 10 months ago

Even simpler GG1,

Show me your list of airports that have changed from General Aviation to scheduled passenger service after 48+ years as a GA airport. Or 40 years. Or 30 years. Or even 20 years. LZU opened in October 1963.

That is the point. And apparently you've missed it. But Delta is ready when you are - at HJAIA, with a bunch of non stop flights to most anywhere you want to go. Just ask Brett Smith.

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gwinnettisgreat1 1 year, 10 months ago

What cracks me up is everyone is like... show me an airport. So now the only successful businesses are the ones that are proven by businesses before them?

Good thing I don't depend on you to generate new business or new growth. You are the kind that constantly stand on the sideline screaming, "But no one else does it that way!" "No one else has been good at it!"

Thank goodness we have business men and women who are willing to take a chance and make a new business where there was none.

I noticed on my way back from Athens Sunday, there is new growth on 316 out in Barrow and Oconee County. Glad those folks don't think... "No one has been successful before at this."

Hey... but Mayberry rolls on... right? LOL

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NewsReader 1 year, 10 months ago

So what were you doing in Athens on Sunday? Have the summer session classes started yet? Visiting Professor Max Roland Reinhart? Are you in his class or just visiting? Go ahead and laugh. You're a student at UGA aren't you!

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gordon7 1 year, 10 months ago

Is there a convenience store within a mile of your home? If so, would you expect it to turn into a regional mall?

Is there a street near your home? If so, would you expect it to turn into an interstate?

That logic that "they moved near a country airfield so they shouldn't complain if it wants to become a major airport" is so inane it defies the thought that a logical person could come up with it.

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gordon7 1 year, 10 months ago

....so what's your answer? Ignore them?

Yeah....that's smart!

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R 1 year, 10 months ago

"Did I buy close to the airport? No, because the noise is enough as is."

Point,Set, Match...

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CD 1 year, 10 months ago

@ Dubbin: Hey, did Brett not include a thoughtfully presensted, comprehensive, responsible resolution to the destruction of property value so that all homeowners could rest assured this was a responsible project throughout Gwinnett, involving thousands of homes?

Oh, no he didn't come to think of it. Beyond that, there was not even any meaningful revenue to the county, certainly when the substantial financial hazzards are considered, so it looked almost as though it was a situation where thousands would suffer for only a gluttonous handful. It can't be. It just can't be. No way in Gwinnett.

My mistake.

Disclosure statement: I do not own a pawnshop.

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BevL 1 year, 10 months ago

In response to rco1847 - I have been involved with the anti-expansion group from day one. I have read every article written by Cammie Young and found her to be a professional reporter who tried to present both sides of the issue. You comment about her is insulting.

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gwinnettisgreat1 1 year, 10 months ago

Can all of Mayberry please pull up your airport expansion signs? and replace them with "Andy Griffin for District 3" please???

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NewsReader 1 year, 10 months ago

And I have just the place to firmly plant the signs if you would like to prepare to receive them. How's that catbox project of yours going by the way?

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gwinnettisgreat1 1 year, 10 months ago

Actually really well. Despite oposition, we got the project re-zoned and the money is coming in. I like commerce. Too bad the rest of Mayberry likes sidewalks and little fluffy puppies.

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gordon7 1 year, 10 months ago

@gwinnettisgreat1

Isn't Mayberry thought of as a residential nirvana? A place where neighbors know each other and care about each other? A place of little crime? A place of parks, lakes, things to do? A great place for families? A place where people exercise common sense? That's what I remember about that old show. In fact, I often describe my childhood to people in glowing terms by saying I was raised in a place like Mayberry.

I like the moniker. Do you mean it as a negative?

I suppose the opposite of "Mayberry" would be a place where people are interested in material things....a place where people neither know or care about their neighbors. A place where people rush headlong into projects by the lure of dollar signs.

Actually, I think the term describes the opposing sides in the airport fight quite well.

You may continue to use it.

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gwinnettisgreat1 1 year, 10 months ago

@gordon7. Tell me, what planet do you come from? Look around. This is not Mayberry. The people who moved next to the airport do though. I don't remember Mayberry having an airport, or a Jimmy Carter Blvd, or a Mall of Georgia or a Braves Stadium.

Continue to think you live in small town USA and you will continue to be disappointed. Get real. Realize you need to move out of Gwinnett or continue to be upset about growth. How terrible it is.

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gordon7 1 year, 10 months ago

Good grief! I live nearly 20 miles from Jimmy Carter Blvd!

I like the Mall of Georgia. I like the Braves stadium. I like the diversity of our county. I like good growth that adds to a community....not bad "growth" that destroys one.

You still haven't answered my question. What plans were there to deal with the people who live near Briscoe? Just hoping they take a bullet for the rest of the county and deal with it obviously wasn't the correct answer.

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Katrina 1 year, 10 months ago

Those of us from Mayberry know that his name is Andy Griffith...

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jack 1 year, 10 months ago

Let's see, would I rather live in Mayberry or Detroit?

Hmmm.....tough call.

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NewsReader 1 year, 10 months ago

Ironic that gwinnettisgreat1 and teelee so conveniently reference the good people of Gwinnett County as "Mayberry" on a very regular basis don't you think? And just like all the other people who visited Mayberry, they too look like complete fools at the end of the program, all the while thinking that they are so much smarter than the rest of us. How's that working out for ya clowns? Trust me when I tell you...we are getting a great deal of enjoyment at your expense.

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gwinnettisgreat1 1 year, 10 months ago

LOL... as long as you think you have the cat by the tail... then you are exactly where you need to be. Keep reading the news... you are not going to like it in the coming months. Especially if you hate growth. LOL... just you "clowns" wait. LOL

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gordon7 1 year, 10 months ago

You don't get it. People opposed to low flying jets over their house are neither opposed to growth or progress. They are just opposed to diminished property values, diminished quality of life and diminished health.

Why is that so difficult to understand?

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