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The Daily "Post" - June 4, 2012 - Airport on ballot

"If (the airport privatization) were put to the citizens for a vote, it would pass. The hysterical screaming folks numbering several hundred have no idea that the majority of the county would like to see Briscoe privatized and commercialized."

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rco1847 2 years, 5 months ago

I don't know who wrote this article but they're out of they're mind. It's like saying Fly Gwinnett Backwards is run by a crime syndicate and we know that isn't true. Right?

Maybe Fly Gwinnett and Propeller should buy the County Jail. That's where they seem to have more experience and Shirley Lasseter could help mamage it.

I just read a remark saying Hartsfiel-Jackson and Delta had been funding opposition. Where, when and how much? Just another lie and it's the kind of misinformation that will be spred throughout the public if we give the issue more time by holding a referendum. Here's some of the proponents record:

  1. Jobs Promised - All Lies.
  2. Tax Revenue - All Lies
  3. Funding and taxpayer liability - totally misleading on this topic.
  4. Neighborhood impact, operational hours, availabillity of service, - all phoney information.
  5. Current number of airports managed ZERO.
  6. Associated with Business Bankruptcy - Yes. . 7, Infrastructure Plans not transparent and incomplete and development proposed does not match any realistic growth projections or demand for service. Their attitude is more "Build It and They Will Come".
  7. Un-approved by a private consultancy, the FAA and the DOT. The list goes on and on. I saw a fuel tax revenue projection which predicted huge revenues from planes that cannot land here, and, the fuel consumption assumed all planes landed on empty. (And they want to run the airport)?

Another lie was that Delta was investing in the opposition. This proponents of privatizing and commercializing will say anything. The Gwinnett Chamber of Communists seems to be against nice neighborhoods, livable communities and homeowners. This bunch we could do without.

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R 2 years, 5 months ago

Well this entire time we have heard nothing but the Gwinnett commissioners’ researching the options and looking for facts. Those facts have been returned and evaluated by consultants that the county has paid significantly for impartial advice and we have utilized internal team resources too.

The RFP went to 19 parties - only one responded.

With a score of 51 or 100 it FAILS, these are your hard facts - NOT NIMBY.

Mike Royal of Fly Gwinnett Forward, the facts are in NOT just the PRO, Not just the CON talking points but the financials. The math doesn’t work and it’s been checked by outside parties, not just insubordinate staff.

The voters asked for this to go on the ballot back before Chairman Nash was even elected and were flatly refused. Unless we were LIED TO at that point in time by those commissioners currently serving, it holds true now.

Commissioners you have the facts - this shouldn’t have to go to a split vote, it should simply fail on lack of merit outright. If it doesn’t – it was NEVER about the FACTS and options at all.

Anyone requesting a referendum at this point is really spending money we don’t need to.

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roaads1 2 years, 5 months ago

I agree that it would pass. I believe there is a small pocket of very loud people that blast it as much as they can. I for one could care less one way or the other but logic dictates that a private company will always be run better than one run by bureaucrats. The whole expansion idea seems like it hasn't been well thought out even though this has been an issue for years.

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R 2 years, 5 months ago

Well exactly what would “pass” ?

Privatization as General Aviation facility?
Most conservatives would tend to say yes, because that’s true 98 percent of the time. But Briscoe is in the 2 percent, as it runs at a PROFIT and private operators can’t compete PROFITABLY.

As passenger jet regional airfield (737)? The ONLY response to the RFP was from the group, whose members ASSISTED in the development /completion the original FAA application under the Former Commission chairman. This group has now had THREE bites at the apple. If any business had the most insight to develop a proposal to pass, these folks would have to be it. Now let’s see what came back after 3 TRYS:

we sent our RFP out to 19 firms with only 1 response. Gwinnett PDF package starts page 504 of 551 page 505 NUMBER OF BIDS/PROPOSALS MAILED: 19 Responses 1 MEMORANDUM To: Board of Commissioners From: Martin K. Conroy, P.E., Director Department of Transportation Subject: Request for Proposal RP039-11: Requests for proposals for a public-private partnership for the lease, operation, and improvement of the Gwinnett County Airport Date: May 31, 2012 In December 2011, Gwinnett County issued Request for Proposal RP039-11 for the potential privatization of Briscoe Field at the direction of the Board after the previously issued RFQ was rejected. Gwinnett County only received one response to RP039-11from Propeller Airports Briscoe Field, Inc. (Propeller). In accordance with Gwinnett County purchasing polices, the Propeller proposal was reviewed, evaluated and scored by an evaluation committee based on the response submitted and the RFP issued. The evaluation committee also received input from Infrastructure Management Group, Inc. (IMG), a technical consultant, and Public Financial Management, Inc. (PFM), a financial consultant. Cont IMG reviewed the Technical Proposal and PFM reviewed the Financial Proposal. Both firms provided input to the evaluation committee, but did not participate in the scoring of the Proposal. After evaluation and scoring, the Propeller Proposal received a final score of 51% out of 100%. The evaluation committee noted that while the Proposal included a sufficient team of subcontractors, primarily through Aéroports de Paris Management (ADPM), it provided only minimal detail for the operation, development, and planning for Briscoe Field. Emphasis was placed on the concept of and justification for air carrier service at Briscoe. Both IMG and PFM also expressed concern that the portions of the Proposal they each reviewed were lacking in detail. Propeller’s Proposal provided minimal responses to key technical proposal elements including:

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R 2 years, 5 months ago

The transition plan Community relations plan Operations and maintenance plan Short term airport development Long term airport development

The evaluation committee and consultant noted the Proposal’s financial elements also only provided minimal detail and lacked supporting information to adequately assess the validity of the financial projections including: No pro forma or even high level financial plan to show how anticipated revenues would support the financing.

Limited information on the major capital improvements of the planned facilities including location, acquisition of current leases, timing, and sources of funding. Lack of supporting information on expected traffic volumes (enplanements) and timing of anticipated traffic levels.

Lack of supporting information on anticipated revenues (amounts for parking, car rental, food sales, retail sales, fuel sales, etc…). Additional potential issues with the Proposal:

The County would not see any direct revenue based on the Proposal for 4 years (paid in arrears beginning after 3 years). The “minimum gross revenue sharing guarantee” of $500,000 is approximately one half of the current Airport revenue, excluding ad valorem taxes from based aircraft many of which may be displaced due to improvements. In addition, this minimum guarantee remains at $500,000 per year throughout the remaining 46 years of the proposed lease and is not adjusted to account for inflation.

The forecasted Sales Tax revenue to the County calculates to 2%. The direct revenue benefit to Gwinnett County Government would only be 1%.

Further it appears to make the assumption that SPLOST Programs would be in place for the entire 50 year lease term.

The County would be expected to waive ad valorem taxes on any buildings, grounds or airport work vehicles and equipment owned or acquired by Propeller.

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R 2 years, 5 months ago

It is difficult to estimate the infrastructure improvement cost due to lack of information regarding the proposed terminal location and access points.

Although RP039-11 requested proposals for a project that differs significantly from most other projects for which the Department of Transportation has recently issued any requests for proposals, the evaluation committee with assistance from our technical and financial experts provided a well-considered and thorough evaluation of the Propeller Proposal.

As noted previously, this evaluation resulted in Propeller’s Proposal receiving only 51% of the possible available points. In my experience with requests for proposals on behalf of the Department of Transportation, this is a significantly low score for a proposal.

Based upon the minimal detail provided in the technical and financial portions of the Propeller Proposal as well as the concerns noted previously, the Department recommends rejection of the Proposal.

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jljustis 2 years, 5 months ago

Bless his heart. He is only repeating what he is told, like a good little boy. No business plan, no financing, no airlines; none of that matters. Might as well believe 18000 to 19000 jobs, even if no legitimate economic model could support the numbers. Don't worry about the risk to taxpayers. Take a look at the pretty drawings. Don't they look so real. When I was a little kid, a friend of mine had a Honda 50. He said that it cost 250. I couldn’t wait to tell my dad. I was sure he was going to get me one for $2.50. He said he would buy me 5 at that price. Could you imagine my horror when he took me to the Honda dealership to see that they were $250? Where are the grownups on these posts? One of these days, I have to go to a meeting of Fly Gwinnett forward. I can’t wait to see a live Subway commercial. You know; where there are adults talking and acting like children.

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Don 2 years, 5 months ago

I would like the quote to be a bit more specific rather than general. To privatize as a gentreal aviation airport yes it would pass and may be benificial but it will not make any company money.

The sheep of this county do not ask specific questions on what "privatization" means. If the question was reworded to say," Do you want to have comercial jets flying into Briscoe Field after being privatized?", I think the answer would be a majority of NO!

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news2me 2 years, 5 months ago

Being over confident, or downright cocky, on the illusion that "privatization" is supported by the majority of citizens could come back to haunt these proponents. People don't like being told how they are going to vote.

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LilburnLady 2 years, 5 months ago

I would vote yes for privatization and for commercial flights. The economic impact and the high-paying technical jobs that would be created in Gwinnett would far outweigh any concerns by the NIMBY crowd that don't want planes flying over their houses. The area immediately surrounding the airport is industrial in nature and would quickly be transformed with companies wanting to locate near this transportation hub. It's being welcomed with open arms in other communities who lined up to get the chance to apply for the opportunity. Briscoe was one of only five applicants nationwide who were accepted into this Federally-funded FAA program.

Our bumble-headed politicians, some very short-sighted and ill-informed citizens and a very biased effort by Hartsfield Airport to poo-poo the idea have turned this entire process into a fiasco. We are throwing away a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to be the location of a secondary regional airport for the Metro Atlanta area. We are throwing it away because our government officials and citizens have their own best interests at heart over and above what is best for the majority of citizens who want and need an alternative to Hartsfiled and desperately need jobs.

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LilburnLady 2 years, 5 months ago

I would vote yes for privatization and for commercial flights. The economic impact and the high-paying technical jobs that would be created in Gwinnett would far outweigh any concerns by the NIMBY crowd that don't want planes flying over their houses. The area immediately surrounding the airport is industrial in nature and would quickly be transformed with companies wanting to locate near this transportation hub. It's being welcomed with open arms in other communities who lined up to get the chance to apply for the opportunity. Briscoe was one of only five applicants nationwide who were accepted into this Federally-funded FAA program.

Our bumble-headed politicians, some very short-sighted and ill-informed citizens and a very biased effort by Hartsfield Airport to poo-poo the idea have turned this entire process into a fiasco. We are throwing away a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to be the location of a secondary regional airport for the Metro Atlanta area. We are throwing it away because our government officials and citizens have their own best interests at heart over and above what is best for the majority of citizens who want and need an alternative to Hartsfiled and desperately need jobs.

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Katrina 2 years, 5 months ago

Have you read either of the studies done by the aviation industry consultants for the citizens' committee? They cited many reasons why this airport privatization/commercialization would not be successful. These consultants, one of whom used to run Boston's Logan Airport, had no reason to give a biased opinion, and both separately said that this airport privatization/commercialization would not succeed. You can read these reports at www.better-gwinnett.org.

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R 2 years, 5 months ago

If it would make money and jobs as you believe why did it get 51/100?

It has been pitched as NOT using taxpayer money but requires a 50 YEAR SPLOST?

It's dead - It doesn't work - just wishing so will NOT make it happen...

Besides if we want to make REAL money, lets accept spent nuclear fuel rods for underground storage. NO ONE else wants it, IT would create REALLY LONG term jobs, we have existing rail and truck avenues for transportation.

With all that cash we could eliminate county property and sales taxes – fund the schools and provide cash rebates to the county residents while giving the county enough money so they could cover the cost of the TRASH program for FREE and get it OFF our tax bills…

Propeller fellers, you made the WRONG pitch!!

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Katrina 2 years, 5 months ago

Just think of the jobs...for literally thousands of years! Perhaps we could locate such a facility in Lilburn, since Lilburn Lady is not a member of the NIMBY crowd...

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roaads1 2 years, 5 months ago

LL- I would vote yes too. Makes sense to me.

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Katrina 2 years, 5 months ago

As for being part of the NIMBY crowd, everyone has their moment when NIMBY becomes meaningful to them. Case in point, Paula Hastings of Fly Gwinnett Forward has no problem whatsoever with commercial jets flying over Lawrenceville because she doesn't live close to Briscoe. However, when she found out that apartments might be built near Coolray Field, she was suddenly up in arms because she lives in that area. She was worried that the area would turn into "apartment city," to use her phrase. Suddenly the shoe was on the other foot.... Tell me, is there anything that you don't want in YOUR backyard...a crematorium, a toxic-waste dump...anything?

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roaads1 2 years, 5 months ago

Let's just allow the people of Gwinnett to vote on it. That way all the geniuses on each side can quit complaining how unfair it is either way.

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majtaj 2 years, 5 months ago

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" Benjamin Franklin

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rco1847 2 years, 5 months ago

WHat's the best way to smuggle drugs? Buy an airport.

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rco1847 2 years, 5 months ago

Let's sell te county jail to propeller. It's more suited to their talents and even Shirley Lasseter can use her experience there.

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rco1847 2 years, 5 months ago

Privatizing is not a popular success. It is a popular ideology.

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