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Snellville cops can clock speeders again

SNELLVILLE -- Receiving a new permit Monday, Snellville became the first local police force this week to begin using radar guns for speed enforcement in more than a year.

The move comes a week after county and city government leaders across Gwinnett came to a settlement in a three-year-long service delivery dispute, which caused all the local governments to lose access to state grants and permits.

According to Snellville Police Cpl. Trey Downs, the city force received its permit quickly because its original radar and laser permit had been set to expire at the end of 2013.

Other police forces, including Gwinnett, lost their permits when they expired at the end of 2010, but Snellville lost its on a technicality because of paperwork to add another street to the enforcement zone.

Randy Meacham, who heads the Gwinnett Municipal Association, a coalition of local cities, said officials have plans to turn in required paperwork to the Department of Community Affairs Monday. It is unclear how quickly the radar permits could be issued after that.

"Everybody wants this as quickly as we can, but we've got to do it right," Meacham said. "It's more of a public safety matter, not a revenue matter."

While Duluth officials have said the city lost $1 million in revenue in 2011 due to the loss of the speeding enforcement tool, Downs said Snellville officers looked for other factors that contribute to accidents, such as following to closely and distracted driving, to maintain its enforcement.

"We were able to continue a high level of service," he said. "People aren't going to see a dramatic increase in people pulled over (now)."

But he said law enforcement is pleased to be able to use the enforcement tool again.

"That's just another tool we have at our disposal," he said. "It's proven that speed reduction helps in reducing the number of fatal accidents."

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Mack711 2 years, 2 months ago

"Everybody wants this as quickly as we can, but we've got to do it right," Meacham said. "It's more of a public safety matter, not a revenue matter." If this is not a revenue matter then just what is it? They lost money, they want money, They need money. If it is truly not a revenue matter then what is the rush all about to get these permits. Stop kidding yourself and say it like it is, we are grown adults and can see through your smoke screen.

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R 2 years, 2 months ago

Since the Sheriff's Dept was able to handle speed detection county wide, maybe the claimed line of separation isn't as great as we have been led for SO long to believe. Got to get this inconsistency behind us ASAP, outta sight - outta mind...

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TOWG 2 years, 2 months ago

This is a revenue matter, period. Anyone who says different is not being truthful.

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Cleanupguy 2 years, 2 months ago

Let the stupidest among us that endanger the public pay for their illegal acts and thus supply funding that taxpayers will not have to cover. This looks like a win-win to me.

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news2me 2 years, 2 months ago

How can anyone speed through Snellville with all the traffic? Besides, you have nothing to worry about if you don't speed (break the law). Of course it is about money, but follow the rules and you won't have to pay for speeding!

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Kristykaymc 2 years, 2 months ago

The City Council needs the money to pay that outrageous attorney bill.

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Bruce 2 years, 2 months ago

Congradulations, Snellville! I am proud to say, I was one of the first to recieve a ticket.

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Kent 2 years, 2 months ago

It would be interesting to see if traffic accidents related to speeding increased while Snellville police did not give out tickets. I would bet that there was no appreciable increase. Snellville has been known as a speed trap for many decades and it is more so today. Traffic tickets are far more about bringing in revenue than safety.

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mustardandbiscuit 2 years, 2 months ago

Kent, please... EVERY town in EVERY county in EVERY state has been known as a "speed trap". Grow up, get over it and quit parroting what you've "heard". I guarantee you that only about 4% max, of the people that live in or travel through Snellville even knew that the officers didn't have radar for those few short months. Besides, it takes a lot longer than that for the serious injury accidents to show an increase. "It ain't a speed trap if you ain't speeding!"

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Karl 2 years, 2 months ago

"...those few short months."

ummmm...you mean more than a year?

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Kent 2 years, 2 months ago

My statement was not hearsay mustardandbiscuit. I was born and raised in this area and have been a resident for quite a while. A speedtrap is simply a municipality which is "overzealous", and I use that term loosely, to give tickets for the main purpose of enriching the local coffers and the city of Snellville fits that bill. There is a difference between reckless driving and going a few mph over the posted limit. It is not reasonable to expect a driver to go exactly the limit and not occasionally go a few mph over while driving. I do not do it and do not know of a single driver who does.

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mustardandbiscuit 2 years, 2 months ago

I didn't say it was "hearsay" Kent, but I did allude to the fact that it was a cop out (no pun intended!). People say that all the time, usually because they themselves have been cited. GUARANTEED, anybody that complains about a government entity being a speed trap, has received a speeding ticket themselves, GUARANTEED. You made THESE statements, " going a few mph over the posted limit" and "occasionally go a few mph over while driving". The TRUTH is, that the Snellville Police must allow motorists to go 10mph over the limit in most instances before they can issue a citation based on radar/lidar, according to law. However, the unwritten rule of thumb inside the PD has been to issue citations to only when motorists reach 15 to 20 over the limit. I think that is more than generous, it negates the concept of a speed trap and certainly qualifies for much more than "a few mph over the limit." You probably need to go get some actual statistics before you accuse our fine, hard working officers of being "overzealous" and making yourself look like a fool in public. I call it "productive" and earning their salaries!

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A_Gwinnetian 2 years, 2 months ago

Glad to know that the Snellville police have conquered all other more serious types of crime (violence and/or property related) so they can capture the evil speeders going over 35 mph.

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mustardandbiscuit 2 years, 2 months ago

Actually, their jobs entail conquering everything from Murder to Jaywalking. I'd say that encompasses a helluva lot, certainly more than your job would, I'm pretty sure. So, with that said, they have a hard job to do and don't need any cheerleading from losers.

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A_Gwinnetian 2 years, 2 months ago

Point being...there are only so many resources available....and they should be used in such a way to maximize the safety of the citizens of Snellville. Speed traps only increase revenue, they do not increase safety. I apologize if my message wasn't clear.

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Rocket1300 2 years, 2 months ago

"Everybody wants this as quickly as we can, but we've got to do it right," Meacham said. "It's more of a public safety matter, not a revenue matter."

Oh, that is rich. What a lie. Just admit it and we can call the PD Revenue Agents again.

I was traveling through Snellville on Tuesday and noticed a huge up take in blue light during the afternoon, into rush hour. Chargers and the Ford SUV's the bosses ride in.

I don't necessarily blame the front line Traffic Cops. They are trained to do what the City Halls tells em what to do. That is, get us more money.

Over the past year, traffic safety numbers do not support heavy speeder enforcement.

Fact, traffic enforcement has more to do with Revenue rather than Safety. They just don't wan to admit it.

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mustardandbiscuit 2 years, 2 months ago

Please, share with us the "numbers" that your research yielded!! .....we're waiting?!

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Veryconcernedcitizen 2 years, 2 months ago

I think it is both about revenue and public safety. Cops giving speeding tickets slow people down and it also generates reveue. Revenue that the rest of us law-abiding citizens, or in some cases lucky we don't get caught, can benefit from. Let the stupid and unlucky help raise funds for the rest of us. Like someone said, it's not a "speed trap" unless your speeding.

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BuzzG 2 years, 2 months ago

"Everybody wants this as quickly as we can, but we've got to do it right," Meacham said. "It's more of a public safety matter, not a revenue matter."

Total BS. Politicians are salivating at the prospect of an increase in their piggy bank.

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mustardandbiscuit 2 years, 2 months ago

Hey BuzzG, I think if you'll get off of your hiney and go check the figures, you'll find that in most agencies, the money realized from fines and forfeitures is less than 15% of the overall revenue stream. I don't see that it makes that much of a difference unless the fines & forfeitures went completely away. And, why would the politicians care?

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Mack711 2 years, 2 months ago

The only reason it is less than 15% is because the state will take their radar permits from that city. Ask Duluth Suwanee and Norcross. They will not admit it but that is law.

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ssilover1 2 years, 2 months ago

Snellville, go after the THUGS and CRIMINALS that are threatening the centuries old peaceful life in Snellville. Quit making a party out of clocking speeders. And Mayor Kautz, you remember when Snellville was THE place to live. It can be again, if priorities are in the right place. Go after the few who terrorize your community. Take it on and you will be a hero. Declare war on thugs and thieves and home invaders. Follow Guliani's determination when he was mayor of NYC. Turn it around. Speeders? Ha! That is rediculous facing what you face with drugs, armed assault, battery, battery and more battery. Show some courage and guts.

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Kent 2 years, 2 months ago

Yes mustardandbiscuit, I have to confess to you, and may God forgive me for the sin, I did receive a speeding ticket, once,---over 40 years ago. Guess in your book that disqualifies me from criticizing local municipalities and overzealous officers from giving tickets. I personally know Gwinnett county cops because I have worked with them on for many years on my job. Like any profession, there good hard working ones who are true professionals and those who are slackers. It is the same where I work. Just because an officer can give speeding speeding tickets does not make him or her productive. Quantity is meaningless if the quality of performance is not there. Those who can not justify an argument often resort to name calling. Guess I will just continue to be a blithering simple minded fool I am.

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Mack711 2 years, 2 months ago

Noticed in another publicationas well as GDP that the crime has been down in Duluth and Suwanee over the past year. Makes you wonder that since the police have not been able to use radar that they patrol the city more, therefore catching crooks instead. As one said that there is no money in catching crooks, only speeders and traffic violations.

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