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Airport committee's recommendation: No commercial flights out of Gwinnett

Photo by Corinne Nicholson

Photo by Corinne Nicholson

LAWRENCEVILLE -- A week before a report was due to commissioners, the airport citizens review committee voted Monday against privatizing or commercializing the Gwinnett County airport.

The vote, spearheaded by members who have protested a proposal to add commercial flights at Briscoe Field, came with little prior knowledge to a portion of the board. That lead to a split vote on the majority of the measures -- with six members voting in favor and five abstaining.

"I came into this with an open mind, that if it made sense to the county, it was a good thing," said committee chairman Tip Cape, who broke the tie on all but one issue. "This document expresses the research and the effort we put forward. I believe we did the best for the citizens of this county."

In addition to recommending commissioners decide against using a private partner, which Gwinnett officials have debated for several years, the committee voted to fund improvements to the general aviation airfield to make it a "first-class" facility. Also, if commissioners do choose to move forward with privatization or commercialization, the board recommended a "full and exhaustive public review" of financial risks, financial burden to the public for infrastructure, environment impact on the community as well as wetlands and streams and safety concerns.

Tony Powell, a Lawrenceville councilman who served on the board, said the conclusions were based on a public outcry, lack of control over the flights and other issues.

But other members said the lack of notice about the issue was a "shame."

"I truly did think we had one more week on this committee," said Woody Woodruff, a retired airline pilot, in reference to the May 8 deadline given by commissioners. "I would have liked to have read it."

Another member, Mark Grams added: "It seems like this was ramrodded through the process with a behind-the-scenes meeting. It smacks of impropriety. I thought we were above that. I thought the county commissioners asked us to be above that."

But the majority of area residents who packed the meeting were relieved by the vote.

"We have been fighting for our lives out here," said Catherine Gilley. "We are taxpayers. We are homeowners."

But commissioners, who have been split, still have the final decision on the issue. A proposal, which has not been released to the public, has been submitted from Propeller Airports.

In the past, Propeller officials have said they want to open a small regional airport in Gwinnett.

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Don 2 years, 7 months ago

I can only thank the group for making the right choice. We need to keep the airport for general aviation use and no commercial flights, all evidence and the FAA agree.

Now I have to hope that the county commisioners do the right thing as well and follow the reccomendations of this group.

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MissDaisyCook 2 years, 7 months ago

If the county commission does the right thing, they will start over again and create a fair and open-minded group. The group was packed and fixed from the get-go. The anti-portion of this group was blatantly dishonest; their minds were made up long ago but would not disclose that. Hopefully the full commission will do the right thing for the citizens of the entire county and region, whatever that maybe. Such selfishness in adults is surprising.

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LoganvilleResident 2 years, 7 months ago

The FAA said it was a bad idea. Consultants said it was a bad idea. More importantly, there is no indication from past performance that regional commuter airports are a good idea.

Why are people so determined to make this happen? Why would I care what people outside of this county think of the issue?

NO to commerical flights at the airport.

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teelee 2 years, 7 months ago

Who the FAA office in Atlanta? Where is the worlds BUSIEST airport? Any problem with private investors making this happen?

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rco1847 2 years, 7 months ago

I'm sure you know this, but, to respond to your question, they're after our money. They want to take possession of our publicly owned asset, with no money down, we underwrite the debt, they get a cut on everything and grab all the cash and then file bankruptcy and we have to clean up the mess. It's a very old trick. People anxious to sell a privately own business have always been preyed upon by the same fraud. Privatizing government income centers is "Fresh Meat" for these predetors.

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rco1847 2 years, 6 months ago

did the population just double?

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teelee 2 years, 7 months ago

I understand the Lawrenceville residents and their concern about their Mayberry, but Gwinnett County has the interest of nearly a million people to think about.

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LoganvilleResident 2 years, 6 months ago

Contrary to what you might like to believe, the opposition is not just from Lawrenceville residents. IF this happens, this is going to turn out to be a huge mess just like our wonderful minor league stadium. Have you been paying attention to what is happening to all of the quality "commercial" development that is supposed to be happening around the stadium? Oh.. Wait.. that's right... There is almost ZERO and now they want to build yet even more apartments there.

Athens Ben Epps Airport is a commuter airport with daily flights to and from Hartsfield. They are less than 45 minutes away from Lawrenceville. Hartsfield-Jackson is an hour away the other way.

What does this mean? A commuter airport in Lawrenceville will be of value to a very SMALL geographical area. If you think about it realistically, why would anyone that doesn't live within a small radius of Lawrenceville have any reason not to go to Hartsfield or Athens?

The answer.... They wouldn't have a reason and nor would they do it. If I'm closer to Hartsfield than Lawrenceville, I'm not going to Lawrenceville. If I'm about the same distance to Lawrenceville or Athens, I'm picking Athens because of the traffic in Gwinnett. If I live out past Athens, I definitely have no reason to go to Lawrenceville.

This is a losing proposition for the taxpayers of Gwinnett County and quite frankly, I don't care what anyone outside of Gwinnett has to say about the issue. They aren't the ones that will be left holding the bag.

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LoganvilleResident 2 years, 6 months ago

Oh and Lawrenceville has not been Mayberry since the 1980s so that isn't the issue you make it out to be either.

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R 2 years, 6 months ago

Yes and we really want to look out for the ones who ACTUALLY live here, a novel approach I know...

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teelee 2 years, 6 months ago

General aviation is struggling at Briscoe Field. Go out and visit the fix based operator and the flight schools. Go count the empty hangers and the closed businesses in the area. Which office of the FAA agrees? The one in Atlanta near Hartsfield -Jackson??? The airport that just opened a billion dollar international terminal???

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Cleanupguy 2 years, 6 months ago

And thus now has the capacity that Southwest had looked at and passed over Briscoe for.

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sndeak 2 years, 7 months ago

Why did the push the vote through? What were they afraid of? How can we trust anything they did if they chose to undermine the process at a critical point?

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gayemcneil 2 years, 7 months ago

Those who have been serving on the Airport Privatization Citizens Review Committee since last October should be applauded for the hours of research and sacrifice to come to a final recommendation. It is indeed troubling that someone else on the committee would actually accuse some committee members of "impropriety". Each member of this committee should be considered honorable citizens who are dedicated to finding the truth and the facts about such an important issue. With the May 8th deadline on the horizon and no other meetings scheduled, it's refreshing to see people come together prior to the actual due date for the report. It should be noted that two of the members were only appointed a month ago by Commissioners Lasseter and Beaudreau. Perhaps had they been appointed earlier, they could have become more familiar with and established some comeraderie with the other members instead of being accusatory and contencious!

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BufordGuy 2 years, 7 months ago

It's an election year. They'll punt.

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gayemcneil 2 years, 7 months ago

Now who's getting hysterical????

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kevin 2 years, 7 months ago

I bet the BOC & Nash turned their heads when this report came out. Don't they get this yet? It's ok to privatize but don't expand the airport to commercial flights. I heard planes overhead 15 mils away and some are very loud and not little planes.

Lassiter & Beaudreau and the other lady commissioners are the 3 votes FOR the expansion. I believe this is one reason Lassiter is quiting, among other reasons. She has been in politics way to long for our good and has curely built up a good supporting power base. Time for Beaudreau to go next. I just can't believe that he also fell for the money.

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BufordGuy 2 years, 7 months ago

I just can't see Beaudreau supporting this. He is up for re-election and is a seasoned politician. He is very good at pulling the wool over his constituents eyes. He's the type that could be signing his name to an agreement to allow 747's to land at Briscoe by the dozens but have every one of the voters in the flight path believing he had nothing to do with it and falling over themselves to vote for him for doing what he can to protect their home values. He'll figure a way to get what he wants at Briscoe AND the election.

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teelee 2 years, 7 months ago

747's are not in the plan and never will be(more hysteria) , Beaudreau has proven that he can make wise decisions and he is not a crook.

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Cleanupguy 2 years, 6 months ago

737's were, however - and they still cannot be landed or taken off from Briscoe with a full load of fuel and more than a few passengers. The only hysteria is yours. Say hi to your Propeller handlers.

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BufordGuy 2 years, 6 months ago

That's the best joke I've heard today! Never said 747's were in any deal.

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Cleanupguy 2 years, 6 months ago

Old trick - next teelee will warn us that there were no planned zeppelin flights in the first place, so there will be no explosions.

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R 2 years, 6 months ago

Linked to Nixon ... FANTASTIC!!!

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LilburnLady 2 years, 7 months ago

This citizens committee has been ill conceived, poorly directed and without the proper background and expertise in aviation. One of the committee members, when interviewed by the TV press tonight, said that "aviation is on the decline". This is the most ridiculous statement I've heard in a long, long time. Projected growth for the aviation industry is through the roof. Air traffic control is being completely revamped to try to compensate for the additional airspace needed to handle the additional traffic, so this statement shows the lack of understanding of the future of aviation by this particular committee member.

The study done for the FAA that suggested Briscoe Field was not a viable choice for a secondary airport, was done by Hartsfield Airport who would be impacted by the loss of flights should Briscoe add commercial flights. Hartsfield's study also found that no other city in the entire Metropolitan Atlanta area was capable of adding commercial flights. Sound a little suspicious? Of course it does, just like the "early" decision made by the Briscoe committee.

The only reason given for being opposed to the airport had been the NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) crowd who shrinks from the idea that they might be able to "hear a plane". FAA restrictions, new technology in jet engines and noise restrictions that could be placed on Briscoe would make a huge difference in noise levels. So when the noise complaint is mitigated, what is left? Traffic? Please! This opportunity to expand the airport was awarded to only five communities in the United States and we are blowing it because of a selfish few hundred people in a county of over 800,000 people. We need jobs, and commercial flights would be a huge reason for companies to relocate here, to expand their operations and to build new infrastructure that utilizes the ability to move people and goods by plane. I sincerely hope that the Gwinnett County commissioners don't let a vocal minority convince them to throw away this opportunity.

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Cleanupguy 2 years, 6 months ago

Minority? I recall the big meeting at 12Stone - the cowardly Propeller Fellers and their couple of supporters had asked for a Police escort to show them out. Ummm - air space cannot be "created" - bigger faster planes need MORE of it, and Briscoe is already in Hartsfield's area of control. Projected growth of commuter airports (puddle jumpers is all that Briscoe could accommodate) is definitely way in the red - thus NONE of these have succeeded - EVER (I know, that's a big word). Yes, noise and pollution were studied thoroughly - again, see "do ya wanna become Clayton County?" Nope, not a minority - several surveys have shown a broad 90-95% opposition. The million jobs are fantasy, as are most of the other promises - this has ALWAYS failed elsewhere, taxpayers WILL be on the hook for it, and we cannot afford that, period.

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R 2 years, 6 months ago

You haven't heard Mayor Reed speak recently then?

YES Bring on the expansion so Gwinnett can be in the news over vendor selection misdeeds like those to the south - Gwinnett is MISSING out on newsprint!

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rco1847 2 years, 7 months ago

I though this was a news article, not someones personal soapbox. Where's the Journalistic Objectivity?

I was there and nothing could have changed the outcome. To suggest oherwise is intentionally misleading. It was evident that some members lacked the objectivity, (that word again), to accept the outcome. The majority still carries the day and rather than complain about it, you can make better use of your time by complaining about the Presidents birth certificate.

The proponents for a privatized / commercialized airport hurt themselve in the end. Their creditentials lacked credibility and their "facts" were more like "deceptions". Jobs and economic opportunity were a carrot on a stick and promising non-existant employment was a shameful attempt to turn desperate people into lobbyists. "I'll buy your car if you'll co-sign my loan", is a worn out scam.

An era is ending in our society. Get ahead of the curve and the rewards may surprise you. Here are some basics: Integrity, Honesty, Fairness, Respect, Common Decency, Empathy, Compassion, Character and most of all - Trust. You can build on the list as you may.

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rco1847 2 years, 7 months ago

I understand there's a crematory and a landfill planned for Lilburn. One stop shopping. I guess with all that to worry about they'll hardly notice the sewage treatment plant.

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rco1847 2 years, 7 months ago

Depending on which side of the "tracks" you're from - you may not notice the noise.

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rco1847 2 years, 7 months ago

I saw the "projected" fuel tax revenue for 747's and Airbuses. Apparently they always land on the brink of empty, which is scary. To bad they can't land here, another slight oversight.

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rco1847 2 years, 7 months ago

Before we started talking to these people didn't anyone think to at least check Angie's List.

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BufordToo 2 years, 7 months ago

Can you spell monopolistic as in Delta at Hartsfield . . . the metro area will be held forever in hostage to them. And by the way, since Briscoe is self-supportive, where is the County going to get the funds to paint the hangars to "upgrade" the facility? Perhaps the "NIMBY" people can donate a few cans and brushes.

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Sthrnldy 2 years, 6 months ago

Bless your heart, I love how someone like BufordToo and the likes of LiburnLady call opponents NIMBY people. Touche!

I bet Clayton county has some REal steals if you two are so desperate to be near a thriving airport! :)

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Cleanupguy 2 years, 7 months ago

Summary for Falco / Teelee / Buford Feller / LilburnLady etc. - large aircraft (737's and such) cannot physically land/take off at Briscoe with fuel and passengers on board, a couple of hundred jobs at best (NOT the 17,000 to 20,000 promised), the Propeller Fellers type plan has NEVER been successful ANYWHERE, Propeller's claim to fame is bankrupting a previous company, guaranteed that taxpayers would be footing the bill, zero carriers interested in operating at Briscoe, too close to Hartsfield's airspace for safety and efficiency, the process was indeed loaded from the beginning, favoring the proposal (a kid giving his thesis that was based on Propeller's data - COME ON!), sealed proposal by the remaining bidder (Propeller), still not made public. Did I miss anything?

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NewsReader 2 years, 7 months ago

Yeah, you missed just one thing. I'm quite certain, that if you keep putting together groups to take a look at this when all of the previous ones came to the same conclusion, you just might be successful at getting one of them to punch it through for ya. Essentially, we don't like the results, so let's find a group that will yield the results we are looking for and keep forming groups until we get it done. This is the way they operate which is why we'll have to continue to fight this fight until either we die and someone else has to carry on the fight, or they are finally successful in punching it through. The few here that didn't like the outcome will do everything in their power to discredit it and be very vocal about it. Would you like cheese with that whine?

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R 2 years, 6 months ago

But, But, But we have to build it OR Cobb county will win!!!

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bettergwinnett 2 years, 7 months ago

Let's get some facts also. The AMACS2 report, AKA Hartsfield report, was performed at the request of the FAA, the FAA defined the scope, paid 75% of the cost, selected the contractors, and provided oversight to ensure the report was unbiased. The IMG report was sponsored by Gwinnett County. Both reports concluded Briscoe was not a viable option for passenger aviation. In addition the citizens committee had not one, but two airline aviation industry analysts state Briscoe expansion would have a "zero" chance of success or attacting a carrier to operate.

The airline industry is contracting, all the majors have taken bankruptcy, we are down to 4 major carriers, from 7 just a few years ago. There are no longer regional carriers. The airline industry is consolidating operations from smaller regional airports to larger hubs to increase operating efficiency. In the next 10 years 100 smaller airports are forecast to lose air carrier service. There are multiple examples of smaller regional airports that have no airline carriers, which are a burden on local taxpayers.

No the committee was not aviation "experts", but we had some very knowledgeable and intelligent members, who were smart enough to listen to the experts and draw a fact-based decision rather than succumb to hype and inflated forecasts circulated by Propeller Investments. A company that has never operated an airport. But three principals of Propeller have participated in the bankruptcy of Eos Airlines in 2008.

Perhaps people need to consider that what is at risk here is the financial well-being of Gwinnett County and every citizen. If this project were to go forward, Gwinnett County will ultimately be responsible - yes that is a fact confirmed by the FAA.

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Sthrnldy 2 years, 7 months ago

Well spoken. The airline industry industry is suffering. Heck Delta just bought itself a refinery!

Gwinnett is already on it's way to becoming Dekalb, I guess people that want a regional airport want us to look like Clayton! No, thank you! :)

I fly about once every six weeks and my husband flies every week. We have no problems commuting to ATL!

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teelee 2 years, 7 months ago

The airline industry will survive even with Obama's $4.00 a gallon fuel.

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Cleanupguy 2 years, 6 months ago

So the President now controls the free market? Wow - do you wear a helmet around the house?

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teelee 2 years, 7 months ago

Let private funds and investors make this happen. We are 45 miles from the worlds BUSIEST airport. I think there is a need here.

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rco1847 2 years, 6 months ago

I don't - and I don't think you know much about it. Do you drive a taxi?

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Cleanupguy 2 years, 6 months ago

Ummmm - all but one private company, a bankrupt one, RAN from this. Gwinnett was a distant SECOND choice, far back in the pack from Dobbins. Studies have indicated that there aren't any major investors that would touch it, except if guaranteed by taxpayers. So much for "private".

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rco1847 2 years, 6 months ago

They didn't have any private funds

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rco1847 2 years, 6 months ago

It's kinda like you said Clean - they won't do the deal if it's not totally stacked in their favor.

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R 2 years, 6 months ago

THATS one of problems - OUR public funds ARE on the hook...

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GregRodgers 2 years, 7 months ago

Well Well Well...

Now that all of the information has been provided by IMG, FAA and the Citizens Board and so many other sources of information....the shoe has been permanently placed on the other foot and the propenents do not like it....you know what...HOW DOES IT FEEL!!!???

The good folks in the area arounf Briscoe have had to put up with the stress of other peoples greed for a very long time. While we will not be out of the woods until the final vote is taken...its nice to see what has taken shape thus far.

Liburnlady and all the others can complain all you want...the bottom line is IT WAS NEVER A GOOD IDEA IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

Free Market says let businesses fail and the market will correct itself. The county commisioners created the problem of less taxes by allowing builders to build with hopes and dreams of cramming folks in with phoney mortgages. Now that they have nothing to spend they wanted to futher hurt those who could afford by robbing us of our way of life and plundering what we may have left in our home values. Really?

I am very happy about this vote. The pockets of few should not be lined with the money and lives of many!

I just hope that the minds of the BOC are finally convinced....however.....deceit has been there way of doing business for a long time. Guess we will have to wait until next week...

Tii then......The sage continues......

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teelee 2 years, 7 months ago

Is anybody surprised? I predicted this outcome when this handpicked group of people were first put together with one objective, and that was to find reasons why Briscoe Field should not be commercialized. The so called public outcry from 300 hysterical Lawrenceville residents and their wild claims of cancer and lead poisoned children was absurd. Concerns about the noise and the environment, really? The airport is positioned next to a very noisy road and a large industrial area with a busy train track. Of course they had to play the wetlands card. This committee was a joke from the beginning, I hope the Gwinnnett County Commissioners will see through this sham and take advantage of the unique opportunity we have in Gwinnett County to build up a first class regional airport that will spark a turn around in the worst economic times Gwiinnett County has seen since the great depression. Did this committee discuss the fact that Gwinnett County is still number one in the state of Georgia for home foreclosures and personal bankruptcies? Did they talk about the thousands of empty homes and businesses in Gwinnett County? Did they talk about the empty red and white public buses running around Lawrenceville that could be used at the airport? The commissioners need to do what is right for the nearly one million residents living in Gwinnett County. The airport should be expanded, privatized and commercialized to support the needs of our county now and in the future.

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rco1847 2 years, 7 months ago

You're beating a dead horse.

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Cleanupguy 2 years, 6 months ago

Teelee, I do not honestly believe that you could predict the effects of gravity on a boulder. Again, yes, we're "number one" in foreclosures, etc. - we grossly overdeveloped, and this would only add to it. What part of "this has failed EVERYWHERE it has been tried, taxpayers stuck with the bill" can you not grasp? One more try - we do not in fact have a million residents here, but it shore does sound purty!

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rco1847 2 years, 6 months ago

A big part of the foreclosures is on "investor owned" homes. By the time the bubble burst about 25% of the sub-prime loans were for non-owner-occupied investors. People from oversean were coming here to buy "investiment" property and a sub-prime loan which we're now paying for.

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brownso 2 years, 6 months ago

There are 300 voters in my one subdivision who are against this proposal.

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R 2 years, 6 months ago

The ONLY item of note was the apparent flip of Tip ...

Proponents rush to court, request an injunction on the basis Tip was replaced by a body double arranged in secret by the crafty opponents.

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rco1847 2 years, 7 months ago

Privatizing any government asset, especially one generating a self-sustaining revenue, invites predetory opportunists who want to buy with nothing down, no personal liability and no personal investiment. They will make a quick grab for any liquidity and bail out. It's nothing new. Small business owners looking to retire have been preyed upon by this same mindset forever.

Our county government appears naive and ill-equipped to recognize trouble and deal in this marketplace. The trend to privatize is Fresh Meat for the predetory opportunists. In these times of budget pressures, declining revenues and escalating costs, the temptation to liquidate an asset and have a quick infusion of cash is is very tempting, and leaves us vunerable. The promise of the "quick fix" is often candy covered poison. It doesn't take much talent or experience to run a business into the ground ( pun intended). This entire exercise looks as if it had been scripted by Wall Street.

Whatever happend to the guy who wanted to build the Ferris Wheel shaped hotel? I know he left a lot of bad checks behind?

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NewsReader 2 years, 6 months ago

LOL, he's still licking his wounds from that 15 count indictment he received over in Oconee County that he conveniently failed to disclose. He's a slime ball.

As for your "candy covered poison", I prefer to use the phrase "chocolate covered turd". It couldn't be any more appropriate don't you think? LOL!

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166LZU 2 years, 7 months ago

To the pro-expansionists who are crying foul or that the deck was stacked, consider;

1) The BoC chose the members for the CRC. The BoC's most recent vote was 3-2 to issue the RFP - i.e. 3 commissioners for the consideration of expansion, 2 for status quo for keeping LZU as a GA airport. 2) The CRC had 2 "community leaders" affiliated with Fly Gwinnett Forward, 2 representatives from Better Gwinnett, etc., etc. This CRC was about as evenly split as you could get. If you actually went to any of the CRC meetings you would have seen that playing out - it was split right down the middle. 3) Was the composition of the CRC appropriate? Well, if you review the only public record that is available to gage general public opinion (i.e. the County BoC meeting videos), over the last year you'll see that general public input to the BoC has been running about 8-1 against expanding the airport for scheduled passenger service. 4) The anti-expansion CRC members recommended an industry expert to answer the questionnaire. The pro-expansion CRC members recommended an expert. Both experts agreed - it doesn't make sense to commercialize LZU. For some reason, this was not in the GDP article.

So, if those against expanding the service at LZU are the vocal minority, what does that make the pro-expansionists - the barely audible non-existent?

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bettergwinnett 2 years, 6 months ago

Correction both industry analysts were selected by the Gwinnett DOT, not the committee.

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GregRodgers 2 years, 7 months ago

TeeLee...

"The so called public outcry from 300 hysterical Lawrenceville residents" Really? Over 1500 have signed a petition against the airport. If they represent others that live with them say families...the number against just on the petition alone could be 3 to 6 thousand.

As for the Citizens Board...weren't some of the people picked by Beaudreau and Lassiter? Really...people picked by board members who want the airport?

Do you live in the area? We can hear load airplanes on final approach to Hartsfield. We can hear the larger small passenger planes on approach to Briscoe...so you think its a stretch that we would not hear 737's at Briscoe?

Sham? Really?? Do you know how to use Google? Its really simple find documents on studies done by major airports about health issues caused by living under and near major airports. The concerns are real not fake.

As for Forclosures and empty homes....well that was partially caused by the BOC allowing builders to put up homes based on fake mortgages because they saw dollar signs. So you are suggesting that we again throw out facts to put up another albatross?

Wow....you must be one who stands to make money on this deal.

The truth hurts....you shall be in pain....

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rco1847 2 years, 6 months ago

If you're still holding out for that job they promised you, you may want to take a seat.

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rco1847 2 years, 6 months ago

Sorry greg - that was intended for TeeLee.

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Cleanupguy 2 years, 6 months ago

Hey - don't let FACTS and REASON get in the Propeller Fellers way - particularly their lap dogs like teelee. The words clueless and vested interest come to mind. Teelee's gonna hate it when citizens win this one. A bankrupt company funding an airport, pushed by politicians and backed by taxpayers - HAH - what could possibly go wrong with that?

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rco1847 2 years, 6 months ago

It was our fellow citizens, not our county government, who did their homework, investigated and discovered erroneous claims from unreliable sources with a self-serving agenda.

You don't sell a horse on credit to a guy who has no shoes.

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NewsReader 2 years, 6 months ago

What will the fine people of Liburn have to say if it does become commercialized seeing as how the flight path runs straight up Lawrenceville Highway in a path directly aligned with Liburn on the bottom end and Dacula on the top end. LOL, these communities will mirror that of Forest Park!

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gwinnettisgreat1 2 years, 6 months ago

Who freaking cares? If you don't like growth you live in the wrong freaking county!

You are probably the same people that scream, "I need a job!" But then you say, "Don't grow my airport!" Gwinnett is growing. You may not like it, you may hate it. MOVE.

Oh, that's right, you took out a second mortgage, the housing market tanked and now you are stuck. Well boo freaking hoo. Privatization would grow jobs, but you are too worried about the NOISE over you upside down house.

Makes perfect sense. Now go scream at your kid playing T-ball and make sure you scream at his coach and belly ache to the parents around you about them batting little johny at the bottom of the order and playing him in right field. Also, make sure you are still ticked at your HOA, if not for them you could have that nasty above ground pool you always wanted.

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Dubbin 2 years, 6 months ago

If we could create 200 jobs by locating a tire burning and recycling plant next to your house would you feel the same? If the 20 square miles around the facility were subject to toxic fumes, constant industrial traffic and hazardous material handling would your neighbors be wrong to complain or should they just MOVE? The difference between this imaginary scenario and the airport is that the tire plant could actually turn a profit without leaving the taxpayers on the hook. As far as your rant about T-ball and HOA's that isn't even remotely on topic - the true sign that you can't logically argue your point. Checkmate.

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Cleanupguy 2 years, 6 months ago

Given the 100% failure history of this elsewhere, those jobs would rapidly become taxpayer funded, which is a really terrible idea.

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Cleanupguy 2 years, 6 months ago

Wow - the Propeller People must be panicking (read as - GREAT!) - I've never seen so many of their minions trying to pull this wreck out of the ditch! Think of them as thieves, trying desperately to lie, cheat, mislead or whatever to get their hands into your wallet - think Stadium..... in any case, looks like this one may be breathing its last.

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GBO 2 years, 6 months ago

Having purchased property in DACULA in 1978, built our home in 1979, raised our family, got them off to adults and was planning to retire and stay here, while already in the LANDING pattern, we ARE NOT INTERESTED in the worn out crap of "it will bring jobs". Please get your heads out of where the sun does not shine and please understand that "slogan" is just that, a "slogan". Do not be fooled EVERY TIME you hear that. Multiple sources, as mentioned above, have declared the airport "change" is NOT ADVISED, NOR WILL IT WORK. Mr Beaudreau commented "well, just because it has never worked other places doesn't mean it won't work here" (or something to that)...I mean, SAY WHAT!! Beaudreau has got to go! As far as "not in my backyard" you dad gum right, you live somewhere else, even other parts of the county, you got NO SAY! Do not dictate to me what YOU want or what YOU think my living conditions should be. WE WERE HERE BEFORE THE EXPANSION. Having LEFT SOUTH Atlanta, East Point, College Park, points south (born, raised and schooled) in the early 70's when the hand writing was on the wall with Hartsfield constantly expanding we did a "double take" before buying our property DUE TO BRISCOE, but we purchased because it was a small airport with NO NEED to expand with a MAJOR airport 45 minutes away. HEY, want more convenience, move to East Point or College Park, the last NEW thing built down there OTHER than airport "stuff" was decades ago, they might like a new house in the neighborhood for a change. All that said, the nature of ANY business is to grow, expand, take a bigger market share, etc, which is good, got no problem with that, so all this means, you let them in now and next year it's MORE of the same. Check out Peachtree Dekalb Airport that has been around 50 years, those people CAUGHT in that trap are STILL fighting the continuing expansion of their airport. Want to live around that one, I think not. Finally, get the idea of "money for the county" out of your mind and think about seeing the county "do with what they have".....OMG, what a concept, living on what you make!!

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Katrina 2 years, 6 months ago

You are so right: If Briscoe were to become privatized/commercialized, the floodgates would open, and there would be no end to the fight over noise and expansion. We've got to stop it now. As I'm sure you know, they are about to change the airspace over Peachtree DeKalb Airport, so that planes flying in and out will be flying lower, longer.

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Katrina 2 years, 6 months ago

Let's hope this one is breathing its last, but let's not let down our guard until this thing is truly over! Many thanks to the citizens' committee for doing the hard work; now, let's all show up at the next commissioners' meeting! If you haven't called or e-mailed your commissioner, do so now! They need to know how many of us there actually are. It's not over 'til it's over, so stay engaged!

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Cleanupguy 2 years, 6 months ago

I'm pretty sure that Teelee and the Propeller Fellers must have to wear helmets around their special living places..

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jack 2 years, 6 months ago

I see why the area grocery stores are out of tin foil!

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ptm4936 2 years, 6 months ago

It is surprising that the citizen review committee could conclude what is in Gwinnett's best interest without having access to the proposal submitted.

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rco1847 2 years, 6 months ago

Maybe you should know that as much as anything it wasn't the proposal but a lack of credibility that made their action prudent. A proposal is just another carrot on a stick which they won't live up to. Aside from that all indications are that even a legitimate proposal would likely fail and / or cost the counnty taxpayers endlessly.

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Cleanupguy 2 years, 6 months ago

It is even more surprising that it was not supplied to them, either by the BOC or the Propeller Fellers - I wonder what they are hiding.

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rco1847 2 years, 6 months ago

So long Mike - It's been nice not knowing you.

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rco1847 2 years, 6 months ago

Beaudreau Field - A perfect example of a bad idea

OCCUPY BRISCOE !!!

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