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TSPLOST foes say Gwinnett key in transportation tax debate

LAWRENCEVILLE -- Foes of a proposed transportation sales tax said they expect Gwinnett to play a big role in the defeat of the July referendum.

Ron Williams, a Gwinnett resident who co-founded of the Georgia Taxpayers Alliance, said he believes his neighbors have become "skeptical" of transportation officials since the so-called HOT lanes opened along Interstate 85 last year.

"The No. 1 cause of traffic congestion in Gwinnett has been road construction," Williams said on Tuesday, when the Alliance announced a campaign against the 1-percent regional tax, which will be on ballots July 31.

Last year, leaders created a project list for the $7 billion the tax is expected to bring in, and a coalition of business and civic leaders have begun a multi-million dollar campaign to encourage its passage.

James Bell, another co-founder of the alliance, said the money advantage will make the campaign against the tax difficult, but he expects the grassroots effort to win out.

"The opposition to the transportation tax is growing," he said. "Even lawmakers who supported the tax have now come out opposing it."

The key, he said, is getting people to turn out during the primary election. To that end, activists plan to use social networks, attend public meetings, write editorial letters and hold public demonstrations against the 10-year tax.

"If you stay home and do not vote it is a vote in favor of the tax," Bell said.

For the Georgia Taxpayers Alliance's take on the issue, visit its blog at www.TSPLOST.info.

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dentaldawg83 1 year, 12 months ago

no way, no how I'm voting for that boondoggle...

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Mack711 1 year, 12 months ago

Remember those stolen lanes that were taken away from you when Gena Evans and her group opened the HOT lanes. Vote for this and you will have an additional lane added. Remove the HOT lanes and traffic may move faster, until then do not ask for us to vote ANY SPLOST.

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Gwinnettsince1991 1 year, 12 months ago

Amazing how GDOT started this class warfare on Gwinnett and now expects us to allow them to do this to the rest of the metro area.

I'm mad as heck and I'm not going to take it any more.....

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Pericles 1 year, 12 months ago

There are no HOT lane projects in the Regional Transportation Referendum project list. Get the facts at www.TransformMetroAtlanta.com.>

Gwinnett411 1 year, 12 months ago

I hate the HOT lanes, but class warfare? How do you justify that statement?!?

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

"I hate the HOT lanes, but class warfare? How do you justify that statement?!?"

Probably because the lanes are commonly derided as "Lexus Lanes" for the rich because of the adjustable tolls that, I assure you, will most likely rise much higher than the current rush hour peaks of $5.00-plus (in California the tolls on the HOT lanes (CA S.R. 91 Express Lanes) frequently spike up to almost $10.00 one-way to ride the entire length of the lanes ($9.75 to ride only 10 miles one-way).

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

Here's the toll schedule for California State Route 91 Express Lanes: http://www.91expresslanes.com/schedules.asp

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

@ Pericles: "There are no HOT lane projects in the Regional Transportation Referendum project list."

That's not true. The money for the bus transit projects on the project list, like the $689 million for "Enhanced Premium Transit Bus Service" in the I-75 Northwest/Cobb County Corridor and the $95 million for the "I-85 North Transit Corridor" through Gwinnett County CAN (and will) be used to build and convert HOT Lanes as the HOT Lanes on those busy roads will be used by express and commuter buses.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

The fact that the HOT lanes will be used heavily by the increased express bus service proposed on the list makes the HOT lanes a key part of those bus expansion projects.

The state can use the money on the list to convert existing lanes to HOT lanes on I-85 using the excuse that the additional HOT lanes will be used to help the expanded bus service operate.

There is nothing in the law or in this T.I.A. that says that they can't use T-SPLOST money to build HOT lanes.

To say that the money from the T-SPLOST will not be used to build HOT lanes will there is nothing in the law to definitively keep the politicians from doing so is extremely disingenuous at best and an outright lie at worst, especially when these projects are worded so vaguely so as to enable the powers-that-be to be able to spend the money alloted on a totally different concept than what is listed without penalty.

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apsLilburn 1 year, 12 months ago

Remember, the same politicians that will spend this money are the same ones that said the GA 400 toll booth would come down when the road was paid for. Georgia citizens pay 47.8 cents on every gallon of fuel. Subtract the 18 cents the federal government takes per gallon then ask what does Georgia state government do with the 29.8 cents left over? Why isn't this enough? Folks, please ask and get answers before paying more tax.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

"Remember, the same politicians that will spend this money are the same ones that said the GA 400 toll booth would come down when the road was paid for."

Those politicians just should have been honest and said that the toll on GA 400 would be permanent like on the toll roads in Texas and Florida.

They also should have built those ramps between I-85 & GA 400 when they originally built GA 400 through Buckhead in the early 90's (with the money that they've been sticking where the sun don't shine all these years) as it makes absolutely no sense to have to drive through three or four stoplights on crowded city streets to have to transition between two expressways that should have ramps between them.

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sdp 1 year, 12 months ago

I can only urge opponents to try to learn more about the projects agreed upon and consider the importance of this initiative for not only Gwinnett, but the region. Gwinnett and its metro atlanta neighbors are losing jobs to cities like Charlotte and Birmingham because of our traffic problems and our continuing refusal to address these infrastructure issues. Sticking your head in the sand on this issue and blaiming "politicians" for past problems is irresponsible and jeopardizes Gwinnett's future.

I support T-Splost as an important first step to address the growing transportation crisis in Gwinnett and the metro area.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

"Gwinnett and its metro atlanta neighbors are losing jobs to cities like Charlotte and Birmingham because of our traffic problems"

That's a load of crap and is nothing more than a lie put out by politicians to get Metro Atlantans to vote for this rip-off. Charlotte has a higher unemployment rate than Metro Atlanta and Birmingham, with about one-fifth of the population of Atlanta, is in no threat to pass Atlanta anytime soon in terms of population, stature or economic output.

As for asserting that blaming politicians is irresponsible, maybe there wouldn't be any blame to "irresponsibly" assign had those irresponsible politicians been competent and trustworthy guardians of the public trust and not corrupt thieves out to steal every last red cent of the taxpayers money.

After the series of recent scandals (shady land deals, needless baseball stadium, garbage mess, BoC indictments, HOT Lanes), do you really expect voters to be able to just accept the blatant lies that politicians wanting more huge sums of our money for their own personal playtime tell us at face value? I didn't think so.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

"I support T-Splost as an important first step to address the growing transportation crisis in Gwinnett and the metro area."

And just who is at fault for this growing transportation crisis? The same politicians that are now begging for more of our money to steal and stick where the sun don't shine, that's who.

Don't even try to place the blame for this mess on the hardworking voters and taxpayers for jeopardizing Gwinnett's future when it was the politicians and developers (who are one-in-the-same in this county) who have purposefully jeopardized this county's future by vastly overbuilding all of this needless development, opened the floodgates for illegals to invade and take over this county, have shamelessly plundered and robbed this county blind while taking care of all of their crony developer buddies.

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R 1 year, 12 months ago

Remember ATLANTA needs to shift it's funds so they can build an open air stadium. Vote the tax because the STADIUM will bring jobs!! The Gwinnett one did, didn't it?

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JohnGalt 1 year, 12 months ago

I don't need to go to www.tsplost.info. It is 'H' 'E' Double 'L' NO! Nobody in this gov'ment institution has lived up to their end of the bargain. It’s lie and lie and lie until there is no longer an ounce of truth in anything they say. It's take and take and take some more until there is nothing left to take and we have nothing else to give. Georgia 400 Toll Extension which was supposed to come down when it was paid for and the HOT lanes replacing the HOV lanes which by all accounts was originally sold to us to improve congestion and reduce our carbon footprint. The Gov'ment is short on funds to support their top heavy organizations, and they are looking for any way to shore up their budgets. And it's not just the toll roads. Now our esteemed leaders are looking at a way to siphon some tax money out of our 401K plans because there is a lot of untapped money there. Enough! We are done with this foolishness, and we are done with the liberal scoundrels intent on stealing the wealth that we have saved and accumulated. You want all this crap? Find a way to pay for it yourself. If traffic is a burden to you, move to closer proximity where you work. It's not our responsibility to provide you with a traffic free commute when you choose to live in Gwinnett and work in Cobb. I don't care if it takes you a half a day to get to work. And for those of you that think you are being smart, paying the toll on the HOT lane for the privilege to bypass everyone else, congratulations stupid, you are helping to facilitate the fleecing of the American taxpayers. And soon enough, it will be of no benefit to you any longer as the toll and non-toll traffic reaches an equilibrium (I know that’s a very big word and concept for you). But don't think for a second we don't know who you are. You're the same pompous self-righteous hypocritical entitlement driven irresponsible moron who somehow has evolved to the mindset that you are better than everyone else. We know who you are because you are the same jerks that drive all the way up to where the lane ends and turns on your turn signal as if you didn't know what everybody else in line knew. You break the very rules that you expect everyone else to follow because you feel as though the rules are beneath you. And finally, if it does pass, and you were an instrumental part in getting it done, be careful what you wish for, for it is you who will feel the consequences of your careless and reckless decision the most.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

Doggone it! It's always something in this county.

From a costly minor-league baseball stadium (only 35 miles away from the major-league Braves), to a costly garbage mess of a controversy, to attempting to turn Briscoe Field into a commercial airport, to the usual shady land deals, to HOT Lanes on I-85 that make traffic WORSE, to this T-SPLOST that the powers-that-be want to use to put yet another set of HOT Lanes on I-85, what new ridiculously costly debacle will the politicians and their developer buddies think up to fleece the taxpayers out of their hard-earned money, yet again?

Stay tuned, I KNOW they'll think of something....

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jjbod1 1 year, 12 months ago

If not for the idiotic "HOTLANES" that we now have in Gwinnett, i would have voted yes on the T-splost, no questions asked. But now i will make sure my day is clear to vote NO! Take the money your making from the Hot Lanes to build your freaking new roads!

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

If you HATE hot lanes then vote NO as the revenues from the T-SPLOST are going to be used to build even more HOT Lanes on Interstates 75 & 575 Northwest in Cobb and Cherokee Counties, I-20 East in DeKalb and to add another HOT Lane on each direction of I-85 through Gwinnett.

The state is waiting until after the vote to commit the T-SPLOST money to these HOT Lane projects.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

The money for to build additional HOT Lanes on I-85 through Gwinnett is designated under project number "TIA‐GW‐031: I‐85 North Transit Corridor (all phases)" for $95 million on the TIA project list.

While the money to build HOT Lanes on Interstates 75 and 575 through Cobb and Cherokee Counties is designated under project number "TIA‐CO‐035: Enhanced Premium Transit Service ‐ Acworth / Kennesaw / Town Center to MARTA Arts Center Station Transit for $689 million" on the TIA project list.

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Pericles 1 year, 12 months ago

This is incorrect. This project has nothing to do with HOT lanes. See for yourself at http://documents.atlantaregional.com/tia/pdf/TIA-GW-031.pdf

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

"This is incorrect. This project has nothing to do with HOT lanes."

Not so, my friend. There has been a very public push by officials in Cobb County, led by much-maligned political leaders Cobb Commission Chairman Tim Lee and Kennesaw Mayor Mark Mathews, to take the $689 million designated for the vaguely-worded "Enhanced Premium Transit Bus Service" proposal and use it to build the HOT Lanes proposed for the I-75/575 Northwest Corridor.

Governor Deal and other state officials with strong political interests in that I-75/575 Northwest Corridor were unhappy about Lee and Mathews basically so clumsily revealing what the state was already going to do anyways after Deal pulled the plug on the public-private partnership (P3) to build the I-75/575 HOT Lanes: http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/01/24/drop-rail-link-and-restore-reversible-lanes-says-cobb-commission-chair-tim-lee/

http://mdjonline.com/view/full_story/17274789/article-Changing-lanes--Lee-asks-to-switch-funds-for-reversible-lanes?instance=home_news_left

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

From the link that Pericles provided: "This project funds existing and committed express bus services, in addition to corridor planning, engineering, environmental review and assessment, and possible initial right‐of‐way acquisition and construction elements for the implementation of I‐85 North Transit Corridor. During the preliminary engineering phase of project development, local project sponsors refine the design of the proposal, taking into consideration all reasonable design alternatives. Preliminary engineering results in estimates of project costs, benefits, and impacts at a level of detail necessary to complete the NEPA process. This project will carry forward the Locally Preferred Alternative for a premium transit improvement in the I‐85 North corridor with the evaluation and decision‐making based on the requirements of the FTA New Starts and NEPA project development. The major steps will include preliminary engineering, economic and environmental analysis, and final design. The total TIA funding committed to advancing the scope of this project is $95,000,000."

There's nothing in here that says that the $95 million designated for that listing will not or cannot be used to build an additional HOT lane on each direction of each direction of I-85 through Gwinnett. In fact, the current HOT lanes on I-85 are used by express/commuter buses, so the way that this listing is worded, the money can be used to build another HOT lane on I-85 which would be used by additional commuter buses.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

The current HOT lanes on I-85 were funded with a $110 million grant from the Feds, of which only about $60 million was actually used to convert the lanes, the remaining $40 million of the money will be used to expand bus service in the I-85 corridor.

Now if the state is going to use the remaining $40 million of the original HOT lane grant to fund bus service to run in those 16 miles of HOT lanes that only cost $60 million to convert, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that $95 million more will fund A LOT more miles of additional HOT lanes on I-85 between I-285 and the I-985 split and maybe beyond up to the Hwy. 211 or Hwy 53 exits in Braselton.

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R 1 year, 12 months ago

Sure it doesn't... It won't last a DAY beyond ten years...

Just for FUN how much have the CIDS spent in funding for the indoctrination, ER, “educational campaign” and employees that are PAID to comment on these boards during the common man’s working hours?

The only thing that will be “untied” if this passes is what little is left in your wallet afterward…

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JohnGalt 1 year, 12 months ago

Ya just gotta love this line from the Marietta Daily Journal...

"...Craig Kootsillas, referenced an article published this week in The Saporta Report, detailing how the federal government says there are no guarantees of federal money if the referendum is approved, even though federal funds are being counted on to pay for 12 percent of the total $7.1 billion cost of the projects..."

and

"...Then they’ll have to figure out if they can rescope the project within the project definition in order to accomplish it,” said Faye DiMassimo, director of the Cobb Department of Transportation..."

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JohnGalt 1 year, 12 months ago

BTW, I encourage all of you to go online to the other local media centers in Cobb, Cherokee, Douglas, Clayton, Henry, Rockdale, Walton, and any other such county subject to this regional transportation tax and post to let them know what kinda crap we are dealing with over here and what's to come for them too.

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jack 1 year, 12 months ago

Random thoughts: Never vote a tax upon yourself. Think of the I-85/GA316 interchange and the bottlenecks created by not extending the project one mile to Sugarloaf. Now imagine that on a broader scale. Having driven in or through Atlanta since the sixties, traffic has ALWAYS stunk; but we can solve it now? If another economic slump creates a tax shortfall, guess what happens then. Did I say to never, ever vote a tax upon yourself?

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ptm4936 1 year, 12 months ago

If the beginning premise is "The No. 1 cause of traffic congestion in Gwinnett has been road construction" then any information on the Georgia Taxpayers Alliance is equally flawed.

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BuzzG 1 year, 12 months ago

Obama and the boys just spent nearly one trillion dollars "stimulus" money (money borrowed and to be paid by our children) on "shovel ready" jobs. Maybe Camie Young can do an article on why none of this money reached Georgia roads. With all the taxes we already pay and all the borrowing our governments already do, why do we need more? When will enough be enough?

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kevin 1 year, 12 months ago

Georgia is #18 in the nation in highest gasoline taxes 29 cents/gallon. Check it out if you don't think so. Do these scared politicians we have think the people are stupid enough to tax themselves for 10 full years for another penny? We already have SPLOST pennies. Does Georgia want to hit 9% sales tax to catch up with other stupid places? We are taxed enough. The common middle class person must all of a sudden have deep pockets to throw at government to have something to spend on more wasted projects. We do not need more roads. We need more common sense. Just look at the stupid comments made in today's paper by a newspaper in Macon, Ga. They are against fossil fuels. Tell that to the racing that goes on in Macon which they would not want to lose. How many gallons of gas as wasted on racing cars? If you want to stop wasting oil, stop car racing. It has no meaning. Stop development in all our land and maybe we won't need as much water and fossil fuels. Tell the U.S. economy to shut down for a year and we would stop wasting fossil fuels. Development means using more fuel. What hipocrits!

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sdp 1 year, 12 months ago

Much of Gwinnett's economic success was realized as the result of dramatic residential and commerical construction and development that is no longer happening. Now you guys want to decry that growth, but still hope to depend on it for the future of the county and have some unrealistic idea that Gwinnett can remain an economic power house in the region without bringing in new industries and jobs. I know many of you buy into the the Grover Norquist cult of selfishness and short sightedness, but planning for infrastructure and building roads is a function that we need our government to perform. Whining about the fact that things have not turned out the way you might have liked or a specific project as a basis to oppose infrastructure reform is irresponsible. The population of the metro area has exploded and we have failed as a communiity to address our transportation issues. I guess it easier to just oppose taxes no matter what....

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jack 1 year, 12 months ago

You're right! Why should we be opposed to more taxes? Let the government take as much as they want, when they want, and spend it however they want! It doesn't matter that we already pay tax for the very things they now wish us to impose additionally upon ourselves. Just pass the tax and watch Atlanta become Utopia! Think of the children!

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sdp 1 year, 12 months ago

I'm curious as to where all of the tax and spend liberals are that caused all of our problems here in Gwinnett and wasted all of your tax money. To my recollection our county and this State have been run by Republicans for the past decade or so who have repeatedly run on a platform of less taxes, no taxes, etc. Surely, these folks you and your buddies keep electing aren't the ones wasting your money. Maybe if we had a more rational tax system we wouldn't need to keep adding 1% sales taxes to pay for our necessary infrastructure. Sadly the hysterical anti-tax folks who you support don't allow that and I guess share in your belief that we should just let our roads and bridges fall apart as long as they can keep telling you they didn't raise your taxes.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

"I'm curious as to where all of the tax and spend liberals are that caused all of our problems here in Gwinnett and wasted all of your tax money. To my recollection our county and this State have been run by Republicans for the past decade or so who have repeatedly run on a platform of less taxes, no taxes, etc."

That's the thing, all of those tax-and-spend liberals that have wasted all of our money are alive-and-well, only they cover themselves in fake "Conservative" labels under the banner of the Republican Party.

But make no mistake, those crooks who so loudly proclaim how much of a conservative Republican they are, are actually nothing more than the same ol' Southern Dixiecrats that dominated Georgia and the South for so many years.

They've just changed their name and their rhetoric from center-left to center-right so that they can keep getting elected to office (see former Democrats Sonny Perdue and Nathan Deal who switched parties to the Republican side and eventually got elected governor).

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jack 1 year, 12 months ago

The R's are just as adept at wasting taxpayer money as the D's. Why believe T-SPLOST dollars would be used any more efficiently? $700M for the Beltline? $28M for lighting MARTA stations? Nah, no fat there. (I do agree with you about the need for a more rational tax system!) But make your representatives be the ones to raise your taxes and explain why. Don't do it for them. It only emboldens them to create more (pick a letter)-SPLOSTS.

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sdp 1 year, 12 months ago

Jack I agree with you in principal, but the reality is that our political leaders are not ensuring that critical infrastructure is being maintained or that future transporation needs are being addressed. Georgia spends less per capita on transporation than almost any other state. You also have the Metro Atlanta vs. rest of the State problem. Even though the metro area drives the State revenues you cannot get politicians from South Georgia to vote for transporation improvements in the Metro area. We don't have time to continue to complain about the politicians and their failures here. T-SPLOST takes the money and spends them on dedicated projects that were agreed upon by locally elected leaders who should have a better idea of what projects are needed than either the State DOT or Federal government. I

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

"You also have the Metro Atlanta vs. rest of the State problem. Even though the metro area drives the State revenues you cannot get politicians from South Georgia to vote for transporation improvements in the Metro area."

That argument is also increasingly bunk as most of the state's population, and political power, now lies within Metro Atlanta and North Georgia which is where more than six million of Georgia's ten million residents reside.

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citized 1 year, 12 months ago

They keep saying there will be no HOT lanes in the proposal. Good They also said that the toll would be gone after so many years after it was built, (400)

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

Whoever said that there would officially be no HOT lanes in the T-SPLOST?

I've never heard any officials at the state, regional or local levels ever say definitively that there would be no HOT lanes funded with the T-SPLOST.

The only people that I've ever heard say that the T-SPLOST won't be used to build more HOT lanes are a few guillible individual voters who are under the foolish impression that giving crooked politicians more of their hard-earned tax money to burn is the way to solve the traffic problems that they so happily and gleefully created while stuffing their pockets full of dirty money with shady land deals over the past four decades.

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sdp 1 year, 12 months ago

ACC12_SEC13Booster it is apparent that you are not only unfamiliar with the approved projects list, but the way in which the T-SPLOST will operate to spend the revenues created from the sales tax. Get informed about the approved projects list that has already been decided on and understand that ONLY projects on that list will be funded. http://www.velag.org/3_atlanta-invlist.pdf

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

Those entries on the list have not necessarily been decided on beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Take for instance, the $95 million of the T-SPLOST alloted for project TIA-GW-031, the "I-85 North Transit Corridor". http://documents.atlantaregional.com/tia/pdf/TIA-GW-031.pdf

The description for that project does not clearly define exactly what the "I-85 North Transit Corridor" will be, it just says that it is a project that "funds existing and committed express bus services, in addition to corridor planning, engineering, environmental review and assessment, and possible initial right‐of‐way acquisition and construction elements for the implementation of I‐85 North Transit Corridor."

But what exactly will the "I-85 North Transit Corridor" be?

Will the "I-85 North Transit Corridor" be a commuter rail line? (On the Amtrak/Norfolk Southern line that runs parallel to the west of I-85 & I-985 through Norcross, Duluth, Suwanee, Sugar Hill & Buford?)

Will the "I-85 North Transit Corridor" be two commuter rail lines? (On both the CSX/"Brain Train" line that runs through Central Gwinnett between Atlanta and Athens and on the aforementioned Amtrak/NS line between Atlanta and Gainesville? Two lines that will require substantially more than the $95 million allocated from the T-SPLOST to develop)

Will the "I-85 North Transit Corridor" be the extension of the Northeast MARTA line into Gwinnett County from the Doraville MARTA Station to the Gwinnett Civic Center that has been bandied about by the powers-that-be in recent years? (A line that also individually will cost way more to develop than the $95 million that has been allocated)

Will the "I-85 North Transit Corridor" be combination of both proposed commuter rail lines on the Amtrak/NS line that runs parallel to the west of I-85 and the CSX/"Brain Train" line that runs through Central Gwinnett AND the proposed extension of the Northeast MARTA Line from Doraville to the Gwinnett Civic Center? (Three passenger rail transit lines that, combined, the alloted $95 million could only pay for a very small, minute fraction of)

Or is the "I-85 North Transit Corridor" listed as a vaguely-worded description because the $95 million allocated for the entry was going to go to add more HOT lane miles to I-85 all-along as per our HOT Lane-obsessed high-ranking state officials? (which includes guys like State Senator Jeff Mullis who is the Chairman of the Senate Transportation Board and Governor Nathan Deal and Senate Majority Leader Chip Rogers who have been pushing harder and harder on the I-75/575 NW HOT Lanes as of late)

Expanding the I-85 HOT Lanes can also be done for less than the $95 million total alloted for the "I-85 North Transit Corridor" as proved by the initial HOT Lane conversion on I-85 which was completed for only about $60 million of the $110 million grant allocated by the Feds for the project.

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sdp 1 year, 12 months ago

Transit is not HOT lanes. I agree that there should have been even more money to fund transit coming into Gwinnett, but politically that was not feasible and so only $95 million was allocated to begin the process or studying and engineering.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

But what exactly will the $95 million help to study and engineer?

What is the "I-85 North Transit Corridor" if it is not a HOT lane project?

The project description does not exactly clearly state what the project is, leaving a lot of wiggle room as to how the money alloted can be spent.

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R 1 year, 11 months ago

And transit buses don't USE them ...

Come on, you can agree its REALLY in there or Mayor Reed was confused when he got so giddy over the 1st phase HOT Lanes in Gwinnett.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

If the current 33 lane miles of HOT Lanes were converted from HOV-2 Lanes for only $60 million, it doesn't take a rocket-scientist to figure out that $95 million converts/builds A LOT more miles of HOT Lanes than $60 million does.

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Gwinnett411 1 year, 12 months ago

What they really ought to do is let us vote individually on each of the T-SPLOST projects, but then that would make sense.

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R 1 year, 12 months ago

“No more funds will be spent on HOT Lanes” but they plan to create these in the entire Metro Atlanta region? IT’S MAJIC!! Or just redirecting funds from other areas because they have double funded projects on the T-SPLOST...

Besides GA spent HOW much down in Houston GA on the Go Fish center? They even took funds collected as “fees” that were supposedly going to Driver Ed, Environmental site cleanups and Trauma centers so THEY KNOW we haven’t been drained enough yet.

Hey come on people, we need to have a heart, so many developers JUST need YOUR money to line those threadbare pockets of theirs caused by the great recession … some have even had to get their haircuts at Great Clips recently…

TRUST - it's what's NOT for dinner in 2012

Vote for a local option sales tax and you LOST.

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toby 1 year, 12 months ago

If they take 6%, 7%, 30%, it still won't be enough. The money goes into peoples pockets that did nothing to earn it. Stop this madness now and say no.

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Ashley 1 year, 12 months ago

NO WAY! Would I ever vote for this. The DOT only takes money and makes things worse. The HOT lanes are killing Gwinnett. Some of my neighbors have already moved to other counties. Gwinnett's share would go to widen Peachtree parkway? That is money spent to help Fulton drivers!!! Gwinnett would essentially be taxed for Fulton drivers. I for one am not an idiot.

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ACC12_SEC13Booster 1 year, 12 months ago

"Gwinnett's share would go to widen Peachtree parkway? That is money spent to help Fulton drivers!!! Gwinnett would essentially be taxed for Fulton drivers."

Exactly. Why isn't Peachtree Industrial Boulevard, which runs the entire length of Western Gwinnett County, being widened from the 141/Peachtree Parkway split at least up to Suwanee Dam Road or Hwy 20?

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Reason 1 year, 12 months ago

Ok. Heres the drill. Vote for the renewal of the next Gwinnett TSPLOST. As before, You will contunue to have YOUR roads improved, with YOUR local optional sales tax. Gwinnett is a major player in this road stuff. This corprate backed scam is not needed here, as Gwinnett spearheaded most of the big local projects YOU have come to utilize. If you like even more hotels, apartments, shops and the usual cheese, vote for their PR "traffic knot removal deal". The Atlanta chamber of commerce and regional commission thrive to find ways to spend YOUR hard earned tax money and will continue to do so. And if it does not pass, count on a new gas tax to feed their coffers. And all this horse hockey about certain things not getting done is just that. With the amount of effort to prioritize and budget for such a list, the work WILL get done. Count on it folks. Just opt out of it, it is that simple.

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Gwinnettsince1991 1 year, 11 months ago

After a week of all of this back and forth....

I just don't TRUST giving more money to the government because they really did us wrong with the Peach Pass lanes. Second, i believe it is class warfare because you don't see Peach Pass lanes from areas that are less affluent. So it is a re-distribution of wealth.

Give the government a blank check (example: Hope Scholarship) and see how the University System of Georgia can't contain themselves in jacking up tuition and fees. Expect the same with GDOT.

If business leaves or does not locate in this state, so be it. Perhaps, you will listen to us instead of to them.

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LilburnLady 1 year, 11 months ago

No way will I ever vote for T-SPLOST after seeing the havoc that was wreaked by the HOT Lanes in Gwinnett. We don't need to vote GDOT any more money when our tax dollars paid for the lane to be built, then our taxes paid for the consultants to do their "studies" for the HOT Lanes, our citizens overwhelmingly told the "consultants" it was a bad idea and they then used our tax dollars to build it anyway.

The "consultants" own studies showed that the HOT Lanes would CAUSE MORE CONGESTION in the "free" lanes. That's the whole point of building the HOT Lanes, to make congestion worse so people will pay for the perception that they are moving faster than the other lanes. The "consultants" that did the studies are the same company that built the HOT Lanes. They are the same company (Skanska USA) that wants to build a $330 million dollar extension on Ronald Reagan Parkway to I-85 and charge a toll for that too. The Citizens Advisory Group has told them it's too expensive, it won't help congestion and the Federal DOT has told them that adding another interchange to I-85 will also increase congestion.

But wait! They have a plan! The plan is to make the HOT Lanes reversible so there are two lanes going south in the mornings and two lanes going north in the evenings. Then they can tie the Ronald Reagan extension into I-85. Gwinnett County taxpayers have over a million dollars invested in this "study" which we have to pay the consultants if the road is not built after the "study". How do educated people who are leading this county get sucked into garbage studies like this? Money, or the promise of it.

These companies like Skanska USA stand to make millions of dollars off of these projects. Do they care if it actually helps congestion? Probably not. They care about making money off of the taxpayers and our elected officials care about being able to give us the perception that they are doing something to help with traffic. Until our elected officials stop wasting the taxes we already pay them on things like new stadiums, million dollar "studies" and roads to nowhere, I will continue to vote no on ANY NEW TAXES.

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inajarro 1 year, 9 months ago

So who exactly is paying for the junk mail that is in my mailbox everyday to Untie Gwinnett? Who is paying for the expensive commercials? I think we all know the answer to that one.

Times are tough and people are losing their homes and their jobs. This is NOT the time to be raising taxes even if it is "one penny". I will be voting "No". Not only because I think there are fundamental flaws in the plan but also because I believe that if I have to lower my expectations and work within a smaller budget, everyone in the government - including the DOT - should too.

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BrainerTrainer 1 year, 9 months ago

When Atlanta took the Brain Train off the project list, you took out the desire in the heart of this transportation improvement. Let's talk tough.

One can think simply, like in a game of checkers or in steps like chess. This is being proposed as a regional sales tax in order to spread the tax around. It should be on increased taxes on gas if the projects were actually worthwhile! Any other infrastructure improvement should be done based on property taxes.

Nope, that is not what you see. I shall vote no. If this passes. Unfortunately, I will most likely move in town and sell out of Gwinnett. Which will be paying more taxes to simply relieve DeKalb and Fulton's desire for Marta bailout and the Beltline pet project.

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